NBA season 2019/20
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@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
7.23pm NZ time I think.
Magic. Will wait til the kids are down then settle in
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
7.23pm NZ time I think.
Magic. Will wait til the kids are down then settle in
chance of me watching without my kids is zero
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Really enjoyed the first 2 episodes. Good fun.
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It was great. The minute the P Diddy song hit and the Jordan shrug I got goosebumps. Best shit in ages.
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
It was great. The minute the P Diddy song and the Jordan shrug I got goosebumps. Best shit in ages.
I'm sitting down to it tonight and i can't frikken wait. i take it that it's worth the anticipation?
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@mariner4life yip
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I don't want to sound like the grinch, but I wasn't enthralled with E1 when I watched it last night. I think mainly because there was nothing new for me there. Obvs lots of recent commentary from ex-players, but no new revealing footage from the actual season (the pre-season McDonald's Open footage stole time from my life), and I've seen the college / draft / early NBA story many times already. Guess it's a scene-setting episode really.
That said, I watched it again tonight with my oldest lad, and enjoyed it much more, especially watching him see how incredible the GOAT was. Funny, he has picked up already that MJ wasn't the nicest guy, but he is also totally enthralled with him.
Made me feel guilty for never showing him Come Fly With Me before.
Will definitely persevere with the series, hopefully they focus on the Indy series in great detail.
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Fuck I thought that was awesome
MJ is the all time sporting GOAT
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I just watched Ep 1. Goosebumps and awe. So far ahead of LBJ at al in the GOAT 'debate', it's not funny. The shit he did daily that the rest of the best can only do on occasion just astounds.
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I can't believe I have to wait a week like it's 2005
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
I just watched Ep 1. Goosebumps and awe. So far ahead of LBJ at al in the GOAT 'debate', it's not funny. The shit he did daily that the rest of the best can only do on occasion just astounds.
Same! I was like a kid in a candy store. It took me way back to when I loved basketball. Would skip most classes to watch Jordan play.
I loved the two episodes last night. There was a short clip when he was being marked close and looked the defender right in the eye, faded back and got the two. That was his arrogance and skill. I squealed like a teen girl seeing The Beatles for the first time.
More than once I was off the couch in support.
Loved it!
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@Hooroo There was a brief clip in Ep 1 showing the winning shots in the Bulls' first three-peat. When I watched the shot against the Suns it was like I went back in time 27 years and my stomach almost churned in the same way. I was back there. I was hopeful Barkley, KJ, Thunder Dan et al were good enough, and they had stayed in the series for sure, but I always knew a Jordan-lead Bulls team was never gonna lose. I'm sure they'll get into this later, but Barkley was either regarded as frontrunner or had already won the MVP that year and MJ had a point to prove.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Funny, he has picked up already that MJ wasn't the nicest guy, but he is also totally enthralled with him.My boy thought the same, still thought Jordan was awesome though. But I told him that's why Lebron only has 3 championships. Nice guys didn't get the pyramids built.
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Funny, he has picked up already that MJ wasn't the nicest guy, but he is also totally enthralled with him.My boy thought the same, still thought Jordan was awesome though. But I told him that's why Lebron only has 3 championships. Nice guys didn't get the pyramids built.
the best part for me to point out to the boys was how every single person talked about how hard he worked. And very early there was a shot of the GOAT in a gym by himself shooting to practice. Great lesson.
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MJ also didn't load manage and didn't give up when losing - even when he got swept in playoff series he put up monster numbers. Oh and he played defense.
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The whole part where management wanted him to tank when he was coming back from injury was fantastic. He was young 20s and sitting on the bench disgusted he was not allowed to play more than 7 minutes per 1/4. Other players, at that age, would be disappointed but he already knew he was the whole show. I think you can draw a lot of parallels between his first season and Ja Morant.
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
The whole part where management wanted him to tank when he was coming back from injury was fantastic. He was young 20s and sitting on the bench disgusted he was not allowed to play more than 7 minutes per 1/4. Other players, at that age, would be disappointed but he already knew he was the whole show. I think you can draw a lot of parallels between his first season and Ja Morant.
his face in that close game where he wasn't allowed in for the final seconds was the face of a man who was piiiiiiiissed
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@mariner4life have you seen the HOF speech where he asked "There's Jerry Krause, sitting right there. Who invited him, I didn't" The combination of being the richest sportsman on the planet and having only 2 other sportsmen in your league(Ali and Woods) means you say what the fuck you want when you want to whoever you want.
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@raznomore it's funny that his hall of fame speech he talks about how he didn't make that high school senior team. Never mentions the guy he was up against was like 6'8. Funny most plebs like us would be like on that makes sense I will go away and work harder and tale my chance....hes taller so that makes sense. He was filthy and went and did something about it....he grew taller.
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Watched E2 with the lad tonight. It's definitely really enjoyable, but it's still a rehash of all the stuff I already know and have seen. For example, the injury stuff is all covered at length in CFWM and subsequent docos, and I've watched the 63 point game footage many times over.
But, its still great for the kid, and fun for me, especially given the lack of anything else to watch. But I assume at some point we will get the unfettered access to the season in question???
Ahh, fuck it, I'm being a grinch again. It's still awesome to watch, even if it's not new. The kid is LOVING it, and it's good viewing for me. And its really great to see Pippen getting his due airtime. Funny that MJ never took more shit for that.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Watched E2 with the lad tonight. It's definitely really enjoyable, but it's still a rehash of all the stuff I already know and have seen. For example, the injury stuff is all covered at length in CFWM and subsequent docos, and I've watched the 63 point game footage many times over.
But, its still great for the kid, and fun for me, especially given the lack of anything else to watch. But I assume at some point we will get the unfettered access to the season in question???
Ahh, fuck it, I'm being a grinch again. It's still awesome to watch, even if it's not new. The kid is LOVING it, and it's good viewing for me. And its really great to see Pippen getting his due airtime. Funny that MJ never took more shit for that.
Don't take your frustration at St Jacinda out on the GOAT you curmudgeon
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@mariner4life
You're right, sorry, back in my shellOnly 6 more days of running and home schooling until E3/4 come out...
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@mariner4life
You're right, sorry, back in my shellOnly 6 more days of running and home schooling until E3/4 come out...
Fuuuuuuck
I'm getting another wine
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@mariner4life
You're right, sorry, back in my shellOnly 6 more days of running and home schooling until E3/4 come out...
Fuuuuuuck
I'm getting another wine
I'll assume you mean another bottle, not another glass
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I watched the ESPN 30/30 on Rodman the other day that was cool
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
The whole part where management wanted him to tank when he was coming back from injury was fantastic. He was young 20s and sitting on the bench disgusted he was not allowed to play more than 7 minutes per 1/4. Other players, at that age, would be disappointed but he already knew he was the whole show. I think you can draw a lot of parallels between his first season and Ja Morant.
his face in that close game where he wasn't allowed in for the final seconds was the face of a man who was piiiiiiiissed
But then showed his colours as a team guy by being straight off the bench to congratulate John Paxson on sinking the winning basket.
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The Pippen salary stuff was mad. He sold himself drastically short signing for 7 seasons for USD18m. This made him only the 122nd best paid player in the NBA and only the sixth best paid on his team! Crazy. His justification was that he just wanted certainty and to be able to look after his family, which he did. But he could have probably negotiated harder and got paid at the time, or gone elsewhere. Even the owner acknowledged he sold himself short. Then eventually over time he got pissed off with it and acted like a petulant brat. I was pleased though that he got a good deal at the Rockets (USD11m for one year?), and presumably another pay day at the Blazers over four years. Still, when you think about it in relative terms, USD2.6m (NZD3.5m or so in todays' terms) isn't exactly living on the breadline, plus throw in private jet travel, five/six star accommodation, organisational and societal pampering and endorsements.
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@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
Pippen's $109.19 million career on court earnings were greater than Michael Jordan's $93.29 million, which even includes His Airness' salary during his 18-month baseball hiatus.
How did he get to $109m when from 1991 - 98 at the Bulls he earned $18m, earned a rookie contract prior, then $11m in one year at the Rockets, and he only played another four with the Blazers and a brief final stint back with the Bulls?? That's close to $80m for five years???
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I found the below
Scottie Pippen’s earnings came mostly after he left Chicago. He played with the Houston Rockets on a five-year, $67.2 million deal. He was traded to the Portland Trail Blazers. He finished his career in Chicago on a 23-game stretch, netting $10 million in the process.
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@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
I found the below
Scottie Pippen’s earnings came mostly after he left Chicago. He played with the Houston Rockets on a five-year, $67.2 million deal. He was traded to the Portland Trail Blazers. He finished his career in Chicago on a 23-game stretch, netting $10 million in the process.
Funny, I remember him playing for Portland but don't remember him playing in Houston
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@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
I found the below
Scottie Pippen’s earnings came mostly after he left Chicago. He played with the Houston Rockets on a five-year, $67.2 million deal. He was traded to the Portland Trail Blazers. He finished his career in Chicago on a 23-game stretch, netting $10 million in the process.
Ah nice one; that explains it.
So Portland took over that chunky contract from the Rockets.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
@canefan He and CB had a big spat. Sir Charles questioned his ethics and Pippen questioned Chucks' fat ass.
Yeah, Wiki told me so. He was good for Portland so the deal worked out for them. Pippen said Charles was lazy, I guess he was telling the truth and his credibility was dangling from the bling on 6 of his fingers
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Chuck would have had an expectation that after bringing himself and Pippen to the Rockets - who'd won titles during MJ's hiatus - they'd have won a title. Didn't happen, Pippen leaves after one year of a five year deal and then naturally there's a spat.
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Am loving the Last Dance so far, even got the wife into it.
Jerry Krause gets a rough deal, he got treated like sh*t by the players and all he was trying to do was get the best players / maximum chance of winning by cutting deals, i.e. his exact job. Which he was excellent at. All the "lol ur really short and fat" nonsense, from MJ and others reflects badly on them IMO.
Pippen comes across as a knob given the crying over his contract as others have detailed above. And then not getting surgery on time so he could "enjoy the summer" is ridiculous. Hard to reconcile the fact he was so good, given he could be that unprofessional in other areas.
Controversial opinion time....I've always thought LeBron was the GOAT over MJ, and I actually think this more having watched the first two episodes.
Hear me out....the NBA wasn't as good in the 1990s. There were 7 new expansion teams The elite level (i.e. All Star) was comparable to today, but the overall standard in 2020 is way higher. Basketball is a proper international game now, and the money involved is so much higher, its hugely lifted the average talent level across the league. There are no "easy nights/opponents" like MJ had in the 1990s. People give modern stars sh*t over load management etc, but its a logical outcome of the much tougher grind during the regular season today. I also think the season length should be reduced for this reason, but that's for another thread...
LeBron is a much more rounded player, which appeals to me. He can really do it all in every position. Stat lines like MJ dropping 60 with 5 rebounds and 4 assists doesn't do it for me like a 35pt triple double from LeBron does, but that's a personal preference.
The other thing is longevity. LeBron made the first team All-NBA in his second year in the league, as a 20yr old, at a time when MJ was a college sophomore at North Carolina. LBJ took a terrible Cleveland team to the finals the next year, while MJ was still at college. Fast forward to the other end of his career, and LBJ is still one of the best players in the NBA at age 35. He'd have my vote for MVP this year over Giannis (narrowly), and without the virus suspension I think LA would've won the title. That's absurd after 17 seasons of excellence, and for me means his overall body of work is greater than MJ's.
MJ had a higher peak for sure, with 6 rings and never losing in Finals. But he also got knocked out of the playoffs a lot, especially in the 80s. LBJ went to 8 straight finals, and 9 in total. Winning rings with outstanding teams like the 90s Bulls is less impressive (to me) than dragging fairly poor teams to the finals year after year. Although the Miami teams LBJ won with were great. If LBJ wins a 4th title with LA, and 3 different teams overall, then it seals it I reckon.
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@TeWaio said in NBA season 2019/20:
Am loving the Last Dance so far, even got the wife into it.
Jerry Krause gets a rough deal, he got treated like sh*t by the players and all he was trying to do was get the best players / maximum chance of winning by cutting deals, i.e. his exact job. Which he was excellent at. All the "lol ur really short and fat" nonsense, from MJ and others reflects badly on them IMO.
Pippen comes across as a knob given the crying over his contract as others have detailed above. And then not getting surgery on time so he could "enjoy the summer" is ridiculous. Hard to reconcile the fact he was so good, given he could be that unprofessional in other areas.
Controversial opinion time....I've always thought LeBron was the GOAT over MJ, and I actually think this more having watched the first two episodes.
Hear me out....the NBA wasn't as good in the 1990s. There were 7 new expansion teams The elite level (i.e. All NBA teams) was comparable to today, but the overall standard in 2020 is way higher. Basketball is a proper international game, and the money involved is so much higher, its hugely lifted the talent level across the league. There are no "easy nights/opponents" like MJ had in the 1990s. People give modern stars sh*t over load management etc, but its a logical outcome of the much tougher grind during the regular season today.
LeBron is also a much more rounded player, which appeals to me. He can really do it all in every position. Stat lines like MJ dropping 60 with 5 rebounds and 4 assists doesn't do it for me, whereas a 35pt triple double from LeBron does, but that's a personal preference.
The other thing is longevity. LeBron made the first team all NBA in his second year in the league, as a 20yr old, at a time when MJ was a college sophomore at North Carolina. LBJ took a terrible Cleveland team to the finals the next year, while MJ was still at college. Fast forward to the other end of his career and LBJ is still one of the best players in the NBA at age 35. He'd have my vote for MVP this year over Giannis, and without the virus suspension I think LA would've won the title this year. That's absurd, and for me means his overall body of work is greater than MJ's.
MJ had a higher peak, with 6 rings and never losing in Finals. But he also got knocked out of the playoffs a lot, especially in the 80s. LBJ went to 8 straight finals, and 9 in total. Winning rings with outstanding teams like the 90s Bulls is less impressive (to me) than dragging fairly poor teams to the finals year after year. Although the Miami teams LBJ won with were great. If LBJ wins a 4th title with LA, and 3 different teams overall, then it seals it I reckon.
I'm not going to attempt to unpack that (what a shit phrase), but I would say:
- It was a really good post ;
- I disagree with plenty of it; and
- I'd give my left nut to spend 8 hours in a pub debating it with you.
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I don't buy the argument of MJ being knocked out in playoffs in 80s vs LeBron making Finals so many times.
MJ got knocked out against Celtics and Pistons.
The East was a cakewalk for LeBron in the 2010s in the prime of his career.
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