Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think
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@majorrage said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
Comments such as "fuck they are thick eh" & "why don't you fuck off to Tonga where you belong and celebrate there" etc etc - reading these I can see why you'd put your back against the wall.
Well, the people protesting and being a general nuisance to everyone else are thick. And if dickheads of insert origin want to behave a certain way, I don't see a problem with saying go to insert country and protest there.
That's not racism. It's racism when I treat people differently based on their racial heritage/ ancestry.
I might point out I live in one of the most multiculturally diverse countries on Earth, with a high rate of intermarriage. It's racist as fuck here generally speaking and the racism comes from everyone. Asians racist against other Asians. Asians racist against blacks. Whites treating Asians as a homogeneous bunch. Indians complaining endlessly about the racism of Australians, yet they pour into the country while still enforcing a caste system...
It seems to be the human condition unfortunately.
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@antipodean yeah equal opportunity dickwads are OK
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@antipodean it's normal to talk shit about each other based on a bunch of things including race. Doesn't mean we are going to commit hate crimes or anything
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@dogmeat said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
@antipodean yeah equal opportunity dickwads are OK
Is that directed at me? I don't consider pointing out to New Zealanders who make dicks of themselves over here to fuck off home makes me a dickwad. It's about being part of a community and enforcing standards so that we don't get judged by what the shitheads do.
@canefan said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
@antipodean it's normal to talk shit about each other based on a bunch of things including race. Doesn't mean we are going to commit hate crimes or anything
For me it's a problem when your actions and utterances create a climate for people to feel like untermenschen or deprive them of goods, services and opportunities.
Giving mates shit about their ethnicity or anything else is different because there's no intent to be harmful or nasty. Unfortunately do-gooders eavesdropping are more than willing to be sanctimonious shitpots taking vicarious umbrage.
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@antipodean these days there are too many people who don't understand the difference between a bit if banter and racial discrimination
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@antipodean I was agreeing with this
Well, the people protesting and being a general nuisance to everyone else are thick. And if dickheads of insert origin want to behave a certain way, I don't see a problem with saying go to insert country and protest there.
That's not racism. It's racism when I treat people differently based on their racial heritage/ ancestry.
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I saw a big improvement on racism towards asians in small town rural NZ between when I left for the UK in 2006 and returned in 2013. Way more integration, I guess that stuff takes time. Got some mates who work in fracking and they were telling me about a chinese bloke they work with who they exchange racial taunts with, 'fucken round-eyes', for that he is a good fluffybunny, its just harmless banter especially in that line of work.
I worked in the engineering field for those couple years back which was a pretty big mix of Indian, Maori, PI, saffa and pakeha, again no real racism outside of jokey banter. Worst I've seen is on social media with some friends swallowing the social justice pill as mature students and they've gone a little down the 'white people are the devil' path..but even that has started to dry up as SJWs are routinely mocked (or maybe I've just been defriended for having the wrong opinions)
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@mn5 said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
I'm a privileged middle-aged straight white male. I'm too terrified to say anything cos I might offend someone who isn't like me.
fixed for you bro!
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@taniwharugby said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
@mn5 said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
I'm a privileged middle-aged straight white male. I'm too terrified to say anything cos I might offend someone who isn't like me.
fixed for you bro!
If I'm middle aged you're geriatric....
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@mn5 said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
I'm a privileged straight white male. I'm too terrified to say anything cos I might offend someone who isn't like me.
Straight huh
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@no-quarter said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
@mn5 said in Racism in New Zealand ... Worth a Chat I think:
I'm a privileged straight white male. I'm too terrified to say anything cos I might offend someone who isn't like me.
Straight huh
More love for the Scottish rugby team than Princess Anne. Just saying.
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It's an interesting topic, and one that is increasingly difficult to discuss with the fringe left loudly screaming RACISM at pretty much everything, poisoning the debate.
Racism exists in NZ, it probably always will, but NZ is not a racist country. There's nothing stopping anyone of any racial background achieving what they want and living a great life. The vast majority of people are not racist, just existing in the real world tells you that, and those that are genuinely racist are generally uneducated idiots with no real sway in society anyway.
As others have mentioned, racism goes in all directions. My wife, who is from PNG, experienced the most racism from Maori where she grew up. My boss is half Samoan half Maori and grew up caught in the crossfire between her parents families racism towards each other. There's always a lot of focus on white people's racism but the rest gets largely ignored. Tribalism is human nature, and takes some conscious effort to overcome - I think NZ is way further down the path of overcoming it than most countries around the world.
The only openly racist comments I sometimes hear these days are directed towards the Chinese, and Labours campaign against the Chinese owning property in NZ definitely brought out the worst in a lot of people, which was a shame.
As to the opening post, I would be very wary of poeple like Eliota as he is basically a professional race hustler, playing on the victimhood theme to keep himself in the limelight and painting a picture of society that does not reflect reality. People like him would do far more damage to the PI population than anyone else with the toxic, racist message they promote. Check out Tariq Nasheed from the States if you want another example of that - those types of people are incredibly frustrating.