Black Caps in India
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Hopefully Santer can produce something, cos im not sold on him being a 6. He's an 8 at best.
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I was pretty happy when the rain arrived yesterday, because the ball was starting to turn sharply. I hoped it might settle down overnight, but it hasn't. We need to play a few shots wherever we can, because it's very difficult out there.
Can't really see us getting parity from here - need to try to get within 50 runs - bowl them out for bugger all and hope to chase 150 in the final innings.
India in the box seat.
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Hopefully Ronchi can get a few. I've got no doubt Nicholls would already be back in the shed so not a bad decision to play Ronchi as a batsmen. Yup I'm allowed to go completely 360 on what I said earlier in the thread, because the Fern.
The older the ball gets the harder it gets to bat. India will be in no hurry to take the new ball.
It's a great challenge. I do enjoy the different conditions you get around the world. It has to be within reason but I've got no problems with India preparing pitches that turn. The groundsmen in NZ have been fucking me off recently preparing fucking roads instead of green seamers that would benefit our swing attack. Aussie just dined out last summer.
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That's a bugger about the quick wickets - Kane's was a jaffa
As mentioned the ball is turning square. Stick it out boys
It's tough to win in India and that's fine. As No Quarter mentioned countries should prepare pitches as they want so long as they're good enough to pass playable scrutiny. All countries actually behave the same way despite what social cricket warriors postulate (except that time when India threatened not to tour and the financial benefits if we greened things up too much).
The appealing, the noise, the smells are all part of the Indian ride and I'm pleased that we don't whine about these things.
Interesting game situation and we need to fight against the grip India have on us and are getting from the wicket.
Ravi Shastri is a dick of a commentator and the current cricinfo commentator could do with toning down his shit too:
Ashwin to Williamson, OUT, he makes sure it needs a bit of magic to get him out, and Ashwin has produced it. You little beauty! He had to go back, because the length was a touch short. -
That was a delicious drive from my boy Ronchi.
Now off the backfoot for 4, 10 from the over. These two have done well to at least postpone the collapse.
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@No-Quarter Yeah - I'm not at all unhappy to see Ronchi there. We need someone who will play his shots.
What is Kohli playing at pulling Jadeja out of the attack to bowl the part-timer and the seamer? Should be keeping the foot on the throat!
Let's hope it's a case of too much speedwork not enough fitness!
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Does anyone actually have any stats that Guppy can't play spin?
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Ha - Luke Ronchi, "Who's Adam Voges?"
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Ronchi is older than BMac isnt he? Seems like a straight swap..
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Who here thought days 2 and 3 would be best for batting? I did, and it looks like rubbish - Day 1 is the goods, after that it's just damn hard work
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@nzzp said in Black Caps in India:
Who here thought days 2 and 3 would be best for batting? I did, and it looks like rubbish - Day 1 is the goods, after that it's just damn hard work
I guess it's relative.. If this looks rubbish, imagine what day 5 will be like..
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Not a Ronchi fan, but it's good to see him making some runs. Up to him and Santner now to steady the ship after it hit a fucking Ashwin iceberg.
Kane's was a peach, but bloody hell, Ross. 1 run in the past 3 innings is not a good look.
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Ronchi gets a shit decision and has to go. Fuck sakes, didn't need that.
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That really is a shit decision. Left arm over to the right hander, the only way it's hitting is if it pitches outside leg. Otherwise it's always going to be going away too far with the angle and the spin. So much fucking doubt, LBW was not a dismissal he can really get bowling over the wicket.
In saying that... why is there still no DRS? Playing against India is like going back in time.
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Roscos and Ronchi definitely would've reviewed their decisions lol
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I reckon the Indian commentators are under instruction not to question decisions too much - and the directors not to provide too many replays when there's doubt. There have been a few iffy ones IMO.
That was a strange session. Indian spinners looked ready to run through us like a very hot curry - getting our best three batsmen in four overs. But, then Kohli almost immediately took Jadeja out of the attack and, I reckon, let Ronchi and Santner off the hook. Suddenly the ball didn't seem to be turning as sharply - even from Ashwin (commentators speculating that he's got damage to his fingers) and we've pushed on much better than I expected.
Does the ball reach an optimum softness and then get a bit too soft?
In any case, they've now taken the new ball, which will bounce more, but shouldn't turn as sharply - and they'll use their seamers a bit.
I reckon Kohli's made a bit of a mess of things. If the new ball doesn't really start to grip for another 20 overs - with a bit of luck we could get quite close to their score by then.
Having lost the toss I'd take a second innings shootout against them - and would have bitten your hand off to have what we've got now, when Kane went out.
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Santner gone.. but it brings craig who averages 40+ to the crease..
that 10th wicket parnership from india looks key
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Some of these decisions are ..... interesting.
258/8
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The Black Caps innings is almost mirroring the indians.. But i don't think we can get a 40 run partnership unless its with sodhi
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@mimic said in Black Caps in India:
The Black Caps innings is almost mirroring the indians.. But i don't think we can get a 40 run partnership unless its with sodhi
Ha ha, too late.
FML
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Gees Sodhi's decision was average. But to have one of the commentators say it was hitting middle and leg....no technology, no review...world cricket is all about money. Takes away from the game.
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Bugger - we badly needed a couple of handy 15-20s, but Jadeja has dynamited our tail with one over - and now BJ goes.
Still - we're not completely out of this - though we really need to roll the Indians for absolutely no more than 150. Could happen on this pitch, but it needs lots to go right.
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Umpiring decisions would have been out of the equation if we'd hit a few more (mostly) straight deliveries.
Need Taylor and Williamson to get the bulk of the runs, and it goes to custard when one of them gets a second ball duck...
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It's easy to bemoan the use or lack of DRS but at least we reach a satisfactory conclusion with technology
Luke's and Ish's LBW and Rohit's in the first dig and Kane's not out caught behind all would have satisfactory outcomes
That India play under no DRS conditions is a farken joke
Their argument against DRS virtually mirrors the anti-vaccination nutjobs arguments
Might reign in some of the shit appealing too
Like NQ says it's like going back in time and the reality is that we, the watching stakeholders, are subjected to an inferior product when India play test cricket
Hard to beat India from here
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We look gone for all money. We'll be chasing 300+ and the Indians will have oodles of time to bowl at us.
I'd say the Ronchi one has been the most disappointing decision.
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Indians 157/1 in their second innings.
So, how about them All Blacks...
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Some of the whining about umpiring, while claiming kiwis don't whine is.....interesting.
Hello all, haven't been here in ages and had to re-register. Had some fun with some of you back in the Fleming days. Recognize some of the handles - DonSteppa etc.
From my perspective, after watching the dismissal a couple of times, Ronchi's legBefore wasn't that much of a shocker - Jadeja doesn't turn the ball that much, he's all about pinging away at the stumps with slight changes in length, angle and a bit of turn. Ball pitched in line, and was turning a bit. But not all Indian spinners turn the ball big, especially not Jadeja.
Anyway, let's hope the cricket stays competitive and the 5 kiwi fans that care about cricket are still interested
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
Anyway, let's hope the cricket stays competitive and the 5 kiwi fans that care about cricket are still interested
Wait, who's the third, fourth and fifth?
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
Some of the whining about umpiring, while claiming kiwis don't whine is.....interesting.
Hello all, haven't been here in ages and had to re-register. Had some fun with some of you back in the Fleming days. Recognize some of the handles - DonSteppa etc.
From my perspective, after watching the dismissal a couple of times, Ronchi's legBefore wasn't that much of a shocker - Jadeja doesn't turn the ball that much, he's all about pinging away at the stumps with slight changes in length, angle and a bit of turn. Ball pitched in line, and was turning a bit. But not all Indian spinners turn the ball big, especially not Jadeja.
Anyway, let's hope the cricket stays competitive and the 5 kiwi fans that care about cricket are still interested
No one has whined about the umpiring.
But I'm definitely whining about the undue influence the India has on the international game.
I can only assume when the BCCI fishheads fly on an aeroplane they ask the pilots to turn off the navigation equipment and fly by sight lest the technology makes one slight mistake
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I'm a New Zealander and I absolutely assert my right to whine about shit decisions. I've done it before and I'll do it again.
I'll try not to go on and on and on about the injustice of it all.
It is bloody foolishness not to use the DRS though - it's not perfect, but it's significantly better than umpire's eyesight - and the umpires in this game have been pretty good. No absolute howlers - but, several that likely would have been overturned.
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I wonder if anyone has actually asked the umpires if they'd prefer the use of drs for ALL test matches.
I'd suggest their opinion would be the major determinant of the use of technology -
I tend to agree with those wanting DRS implemented - its not perfect but is an improvement. But BCCI's decisions are always driven by practical considerations ($$$$). That's where the BCCI reluctance stemmed from initially. Think about the number of test and ODI venues in India and the cost involved in implementing a tech solution that had only vendor. And that vendor refused to negotiate with the BCCI even a bit. And now they've sort of worked themselves into a corner of arrogance and won't change their position unless they get a fig-leaf. The much talked about adjustments to "Umpire's call" might do the trick. Hopefully anyway.
And also, no issues with those venting on bad decisions -its a fan's privilege - Shows you care!
Ever since John Wright's stint as India Coach, my soft corner for the Kiwi cricket team has only increased. Fleming was a jerk when he was playing though.
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
I tend to agree with those wanting DRS implemented - its not perfect but is an improvement.
Agree with this. It also has to reduce appeals - if you so strongly believe the umpire is wrong, spend an appeal.
The decisions haven't been horrible, but feels like one of those games where the 50/50 balls just bounce the wrong way. A couple could well have been overturned though, but you just never know.
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Can someone explain how India are within their rights to NOT use DRS ?
To me it's like the All Blacks touring Argentina and say, not kicking drop goals cos they're only worth one as opposed to three points for test matches played there.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
Can someone explain how India are within their rights to NOT use DRS ?
To me it's like the All Blacks touring Argentina and say, not kicking drop goals cos they're only worth one as opposed to three points for test matches played there.
The golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.
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i wonder how long india will bat for..
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@booboo said in Black Caps in India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps in India:
The golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.I wanted to post this exact quote! You beat me to it dammit.
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps in India:
I tend to agree with those wanting DRS implemented - its not perfect but is an improvement. But BCCI's decisions are always driven by practical considerations ($$$$). That's where the BCCI reluctance stemmed from initially. Think about the number of test and ODI venues in India and the cost involved in implementing a tech solution that had only vendor. And that vendor refused to negotiate with the BCCI even a bit. And now they've sort of worked themselves into a corner of arrogance and won't change their position unless they get a fig-leaf. The much talked about adjustments to "Umpire's call" might do the trick. Hopefully anyway.
And also, no issues with those venting on bad decisions -its a fan's privilege - Shows you care!
Ever since John Wright's stint as India Coach, my soft corner for the Kiwi cricket team has only increased. Fleming was a jerk when he was playing though.
Not so much that the BCCI can't negotiate a deal but more that they won't get 5 spinners lbws an innings.
Tours outside India dont cost the BCCI any money for technology -
India 272/4, a lead of 328. Wonder how long they will bat for. Maybe declare with a lead of 400? In that we're at session 2, day four, not much to risk.
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