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@Chris said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
the whole thing reeked of a special kind of arrogance
"you don't need details, just vote on the vibe and mabo and trust us to sort the detail later. we know what is best"
The yes campaign practically wrote the No campaign for them
100% this convinced me which way to vote
and you would be far from alone in that
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
the whole thing reeked of a special kind of arrogance
"you don't need details, just vote on the vibe and mabo and trust us to sort the detail later. we know what is best"
The yes campaign practically wrote the No campaign for them
At a very base level there were far too many players in this that sensed their moment in the sun and couldn't help themselves when the lack of a coherent message became a mishmash of thought bubbles about what they thought the Voice would be. The PM and Burney were lacking any authority in the debate and so others (from both the Yes and No camps) filled the void.
There are a number of schools of thought around about why the Constitution change to include the Voice, particularly when a legislated one would've easily got up.
There's the "vibe" on as you say. I think this started to irk people that wanted detail.
There's the going for broke. The all or nothing and we have to do what the Uluru statement says. No questions asked.
Then there was a more sinister thought of "take it to the people to expose the racism". Whether it got up or not there would be people that vote no, so they could point the finger and say "see, I told you". There is certainly plenty of that vibe around today given the result.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
I think this started to irk people that wanted detail.
All the Constitutional Lawyers out there
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
I think this started to irk people that wanted detail.
All the Constitutional Lawyers out there
You know it's pretty funny when this was used throughout the campaign and even in the washup as some sort of retort when questions were raised. Like I heard on the radio this morning a 'disappointed and dejected' caller say "there's all of a sudden a new breed of constitutional experts and lawyers around Australia".
The fact remains that when you want the people, all 17+ million enrolled voters, to vote on something, explain it in a simple and straightforward way. If you can't then go and do it in the Parliament and legislate it and have the debate that way. Leave the people out of it.
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@voodoo said in Aussie Politics:
Youse must all be racists.
FWIW i would have voted Yes
If Qantas can pay people to get the Government to fuck over the tourism industry in order to benefit shareholders and the CEO's bonus structure, then i am not against indigenous Australians getting the same access.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@voodoo said in Aussie Politics:
Youse must all be racists.
FWIW i would have voted Yes
If Qantas can pay people to get the Government to fuck over the tourism industry in order to benefit shareholders and the CEO's bonus structure, then i am not against indigenous Australians getting the same access.
This is probably the best case I’ve seen laid out to vote yes and has made me think.
Throughout the campaign, it felt like the argument was based on the logic issue: things are bad for indigenous populations, something must be done, this is something, therefore we must do this.
I never heard a coherent argument why this was the right thing, or why this wasn’t divisive legislation that prioritises one group of poor underprivileged people over those groups from other parts of Aus in the same situation.
I accept I’m not close to the campaigns or the material that was shared, but I had this conversation with my sister in law, an Australian GP, who was a strong advocate for yes. She’s incredibly bright, but always seemed to come back to ‘we must do something, this is something, we must do this’
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@Dodge said in Aussie Politics:
I accept I’m not close to the campaigns or the material that was shared, but I had this conversation with my sister in law, an Australian GP, who was a strong advocate for yes. She’s incredibly bright, but always seemed to come back to ‘we must do something, this is something, we must do this’
I spoke to a number of people over the campaign and this was a very dominant position, albeit amongst colleagues and friends in the leafy inner eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
All the political games have now started and the baggage of this referendum will continue to hang around the PM in particular. At some point the activists will come knocking on the door but Albo is an old political dog so he will quickly try and change the subject, his election night promise will quickly become a non-core promise but still find a way to pay lip service to the Indigenous people he made promises too.
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Every argument I heard was circular. And this was from supposedly smart people. No explanation from the Minister for Indigenous Australians what the fuck she's been doing if the NIAA isn't providing 'whole-of-government coordination of policy development, program design, and service delivery for Aboriginal Australians and Torres Strait Islander people'.
I voted on the exact same principle I did for the marriage plebiscite.
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The Qld govt has announced that if any of their employees feel aggrieved over the outcome of the recent referendum they can take an extra five days rec leave this year.
On a completely unrelated note, I have found myself to be quite stressed Australia voted no.
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Albonomics is unsurprisingly attempting to make a case for spending ever more sums of public money in an indecent haste to hit zero emissions targets. A "green bond" program to target 'refining and processing critical minerals; supporting manufacturing of generation and storage technologies, including batteries; producing renewable hydrogen and its derivatives like ammonia, and; forging “green” metals.'
So heavy industry in an environment of increasing energy and worker costs. I'm guessing Jim Chalmers hasn't asked Germany how that's working for them lately.
Speaking of pissing away good money after bad: Snowy 2.0 - the Turnbull gift that keeps on giving. A completion date of unknown (if they're honest) and predicted cost of $12 billion for the battery itself and more than $10 billion for the additional transmission lines.
Keep in mind that the much criticised Olkiluoto 3 will cost less, probably built quicker and provide more energy once this white elephant becomes operational.
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Big cyber attack on Australian ports (DP World). Article from the AFR:
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So academic doctors that are apparently experts on climate are handing out medical certificates for absences from school and work to attend today’s climate rally in Melbourne. And yes the rally is outside in the climate…
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
So academic doctors that are apparently experts on climate are handing out medical certificates for absences from school and work to attend today’s climate rally in Melbourne. And yes the rally is outside in the climate…
Pfft, I see your medical certificates and raise you a hiring policy
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i literally just read that article and burst out laughing
i should really get out of the private sector and get in to the public. You don't have to be good at anything to get a decent gig there
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
i should really get out of the private sector and get in to the public. You don't have to be good at anything to get a decent gig there
you do have to be good at not saying 'this is a load of bollocks'. It's a skill I'm struggling with when presented with dumb ideas in a professional context.
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i submitted a milestone report to a Govt Grant body on Wednesday
Yesterday the usual bullshit follow up questions came back
One was what we meant by a particular term. A term literally only used by Government Departments in Grant funding returns. I, again, burst out laughing.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
i submitted a milestone report to a Govt Grant body on Wednesday
Yesterday the usual bullshit follow up questions came back
One was what we meant by a particular term. A term literally only used by Government Departments in Grant funding returns. I, again, burst out laughing.
Say the term ... ?
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