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@ploughboy said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
hope this works https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639443651293220864
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Good God (I missed this yesterday)
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@booboo today I learnt the CIS is short for cis-gender...so a new label created, I assume from the transgender society for those just happy to carry the male/female gender they were 'assigned' at birth?
WTAF.
"Trans people are tired of being oppressed and discriminated. I am a prevention violence minister [sic]. I know who causes violence in the world, it is white cis men. That is white cis men who cause violence in the world. Trans are taonga. Trans women are women."
Cis, which is short for cis-gender, refers to someone who is the same gender now as what was assigned to that person when they were born.
Marama should absolutely resign, if it were a male that said soemthign like this, they'd be all over it.
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@ploughboy said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
hope this works https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639443651293220864
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Good God (I missed this yesterday)
She’s now claiming she was wrong because she was in shock after being hit by a motorbike. Does she look like needs medical treatment like James Shaw claimed as she walks there ?
If you bank with Kiwibank you should know they have Shaleel Lal up for NZer of the year
There’s also a petition to get the Herald to sack the creep as a columnist
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@taniwharugby said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo today I learnt the CIS is short for cis-gender...so a new label created, I assume from the transgender society for those just happy to carry the male/female gender they were 'assigned' at birth?
WTAF.
"Trans people are tired of being oppressed and discriminated. I am a prevention violence minister [sic]. I know who causes violence in the world, it is white cis men. That is white cis men who cause violence in the world. Trans are taonga. Trans women are women."
Cis, which is short for cis-gender, refers to someone who is the same gender now as what was assigned to that person when they were born.
Marama should absolutely resign, if it were a male that said soemthign like this, they'd be all over it.
How are you oppressed when you have the government on your side , the media on your side and some of the richest corporations spend millions trying to make sure everyone knows they are on your side ?
This white supremacist doesn’t seem convinced
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There is simply no way anybody else showing such blatant, horrible sexism & racism would be able to stay in their job.
She has to be out & shows what a laughing stock the Greens are.
Read this article this morning which made me wince:
“This woman comes here to spread her hate and I say no b***, get your f**ing hands off my Aotearoa.
Who's spreading the hate?
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I wonder how much of this is minority parties going to the extreme to get publicity or justify their existence?
Putting gender issues aside, it's simply insane to state a biological man can give birth and those people who say this is incorrect or point out the reality of self-ID (male rapists in women's prisons) are "spreading hate" - yet they do.
I just can't get into these peoples heads.
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Kind of ran down the rabbit hole of theplatform.kiwi (not sure how I discovered it , I think on sports twitter and Martin Devlin, who I enjoy, but dont always agree with), and ended up listening to their morning show during this morning's constitutional along the beach ...
... ended up listening to Sean Plunket (talk about a right wing rabbit hole ... at least I can see it), and he talked to woman after women who were organisers, attendees, prospective speakers. All incredibly articulate, all fearful as a result of the violence . All convinced that if KJK had fallen they held grave fears for her safety.
Quite eye/ear opening.
Problem as I see it is the older NZers still trust what they read in the Herald, hear on ZB or see on TV One as being factual.
Not sure facts are getting anywhere near the headlines at the moment.
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Kind of ran down the rabbit hole of theplatform.kiwi (not sure how I discovered it , I think on sports twitter and Martin Devlin, who I enjoy, but dont always agree with), and ended up listening to their morning show during this morning's constitutional along the beach ...
... ended up listening to Sean Plunket (talk about a right wing rabbit hole ... at least I can see it), and he talked to woman after women who were organisers, attendees, prospective speakers. All incredibly articulate, all fearful as a result of the violence . All convinced that if KJK had fallen they held grave fears for her safety.
Quite eye/ear opening.
Problem as I see it is the older NZers still trust what they read in the Herald, hear on ZB or see on TV One as being factual.
Not sure facts are getting anywhere near the headlines at the moment.
Well that’s the problem, having such a farcically one sided media is driving people towards believing their crazy uncle who rants on Facebook about how Klaus Schwab wants us all to eat bugs.
There’s an astonishing lack of diversity of opinion here, of the mainstream outlets the only journalist I saw calling out how appalling the behaviour was in the weekend was Rachel Smalley. The platform has a pretty tiny audience compared to Stuff, the Herald , Newshub tvnz and Rnz who have all been basically avoiding talking about the violence and claiming PP is a far right white supremacist while praising the thugs.
For the past couple of months we’ve been treated to the media and clowns like Sam Neill telling us how this country’s misogynistic culture drove Ardern out of office despite her denying that’s actually the case and then when women are assaulted by a mob of angry men the thugs get nothing but praise.
I mean ffs , what kind of reporting is this?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I wonder how much of this is minority parties going to the extreme to get publicity or justify their existence?
Putting gender issues aside, it's simply insane to state a biological man can give birth and those people who say this is incorrect or point out the reality of self-ID (male rapists in women's prisons) are "spreading hate" - yet they do.
I just can't get into these peoples heads.
The men can have babies mp is a labour mp, she’s part of the government not from one of the minor lunatic parties .
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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
This just seems to insane to be true. How far had NZ fallen since Adern took power? This is the kind of thing that makes me want to leave.
Newshub have set the news clip where they deceptively edited it to claim PP doing up her zip was flashing a white supremacist symbol to private . Here’s hoping PP has set some lawyers onto them . Things can’t be going very well financially for Newshub , if you click on articles you get sent to a shitty Google ad first like you do on a cheap blog.
Also no real surprises they support men beating women if this is how they behave themselves
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I'm doing a Siam here. Posting long videos discussing conspiracies ...
Again GB news is not main stream and known for their inclination towards the conservative (not necessarily the political party), but Andrew Doyle sums this up well I think. Video is 10mins long, but the "white supremacy" stuff is early on.
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Just following on from @MajorRage post in the NZ Politics thread and trying to make sense of this stuff.....
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It's the civil rights fight of this generational group - just like gay rights, apartheid etc. Previous battles won - freedom of speech, equality under the law. women's rights - are likely seen as old-hat and less important to respect.
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There's a belief that as the battle on women's right has largely been won, sex doesn't actually matter - people should be able to choose
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Science and facts are less important than feelings as he former are a bit dry, boring - and unemotional. We can get a bigger emotional hit by interacting emotionally online with like-minded people. And an even bigger hit when we meet up to protest in real-life.
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And just as people can't get directly physically hurt online, this poss. translates into thinking intimidation and paint-throwing/damage to property is OK
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In the past, people's values and moral were rooted in day-day experiences which earlier generation took online when social media appeared. Are later generations increasingly taking their online morals and values into real-life? Does this explain the violence and groupthink?
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Media, business & politicians are targeting this group or generation (which cuts across traditional political groupings) for click-revenue, marketing opportunities and votes. (Follow the money)
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Most of these beliefs - like many who espouse them - are nonsensical and collapse when facing reality - as we've seen in other countries, sports and institutions when the harms they cause become really apparent.
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Transgender debate, in sport, in general