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@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Oh ffs , the absolute state of this
The old "violence is OK as long as it isn't physical" argument - as used by masked fascists and domestic abusers everywhere.
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Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
PP is her own worst enemy. It’s completely unfair to label her in with her neo nazi followers, give she has been very clear that is is no part of her politics.
Scariest part is how many genuinely think it’s a great day for NZ.
It’s closer to 1984 than many think.
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
I disagree. That small but vocal % of the population who believe they are on the right side of history and things like free speech, reasoned debate and civility, can't be allowed to get in the way of progress will be ecstatic - and emboldened by a belief that violence or threats brings results.
I wonder how the NZ government will react? Will Hipkins legislate for free speech like the UK did after Professor Kathleen Stock was hounded out of Oxford University by masked TG activists for saying trans people can't change biological sex?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
I disagree. That small but vocal % of the population who believe they are on the right side of history and things like free speech, reasoned debate and civility, can't be allowed to get in the way of progress will be ecstatic - and emboldened by a belief that violence or threats brings results.
I wonder how the NZ government will react? Will Hipkins legislate for free speech like the UK did after Professor Kathleen Stock was hounded out of Oxford University by masked TG activists for saying trans people can't change biological sex?
They will do nothing . They’ll just keep quiet till it disappears out of the news cycle. Ffs these clowns are so desperate to appear in favour of “ the current thing” we actually have a former midwife as an mp who thinks men can give birth .
The next tweet under hers is from Shaleel Lal thanking her, he’s the creep who helped incite the thugs this weekend.
This isn’t the first time the government and their supporters have treated women like shit and given a pass by the media . Arderns simps were out in force when Charlotte Bellis had to go to the Taliban for help and she shed light on the other 50 plus pregnant women who were abandoned overseas . When Hipkins became pm the same people who abused and defamed her were out in force again despite him admitting he lied and acted illegally. The kids who were born overseas now have issues with getting citizenship after being illegally stuck overseas due to “ kindness “ and “empathy “ .
A couple more scenes from the anti women’s rights movement in Tehran …(checks notes) I mean Auckland on Saturday
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italicised text@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@paremata that last video was actually in London.
Same vibe though.
Cheers , I’ve deleted it. The one where the old lady gets repeatedly punched in the face is not “ joyful and life affirming “ it’s disturbing.
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@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
They will do nothing . They’ll just keep quiet till it disappears out of the news cycle. Ffs these clowns are so desperate to appear in favour of “ the current thing” we actually have a former midwife as an mp who thinks men can give birth .
Insanity.
By all means help people with gender dysphoria and ensuring they are protected from discrimination - that's the right ad moral thing to do. But you don't do that by peddling myths and pretending scientific facts aren't relevant and/or don't exist.
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@paremata that last video was actually in London.
Same vibe though.
There's a conference in London this WE on Lesbian rights. It's being picketed and attendees intimidated by "trans activists" incensed that some of the speakers have said lesbian's can't have penises....
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
PP is her own worst enemy. It’s completely unfair to label her in with her neo nazi followers, give she has been very clear that is is no part of her politics.
Scariest part is how many genuinely think it’s a great day for NZ.
It’s closer to 1984 than many think.
I’m not sure she’s her own worst enemy, the Trans activists that want to attack her would take that title.
If anyone is still on the fence about her activism it’s worth reading this . I tried to find a more mainstream outlet but the Times is paywalled . The tl;dr version is that a trans woman was put in a women’s hospital ward , raped a woman, she went to the police and the hospital said she was lying because there were no men in the ward and went on for a year until the police got cctv footage
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She’s her own worst enemy as she didn’t play it perfectly. That’s how sad it’s gotten.
There is a clear disparity between:
- True trans
- Blokes use dresses
- Activists.
She’s labeled anti trans because she got upset about number 2, without making it clear that number 1 is not her target.
Almost all anti trans activists are the same. Yet, they find themselves being fucked over.
NZ has followed, and pushed, the same.
The message is clearly “stop thinking NZ, we know best”.
Nineteen Eighty Four.
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Can you stop using that 'tr' word please? Personally I don't give a fuck however I know NZ hate speech laws are currently under review. The purpose of the review? To expand the awful law into more areas, specifically trans stuff
I fully expect the state to make a big deal of that word shortly
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@Duluth said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Can you stop using that 'tr' word please? Personally I don't give a fuck however I know NZ hate speech laws are currently under review. The purpose of the review? To expand the awful law into more areas, specifically trans stuff
I fully expect the state to make a big deal of that word shortly
Fair enough, will edit them out
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@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Those (edited) involved like Shaleel Lal backed up my impression that 10% of trans men are actually trans and the rest are basically narcissistic misogynistic bullies . The glee they showed while pushing apart the barriers and mobbing a tiny middle aged woman was actually quite disturbing to watch .
This, 100% this. Nothing about Shaleel is trans, he's a gay guy that has decided his pronouns are they/them because it feeds his narcissism. People like him are the reason there is going to be (and already is really) a real backlash against people with genuine gender dysphoria.
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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Those (edited) involved like Shaleel Lal backed up my impression that 10% of trans men are actually trans and the rest are basically narcissistic misogynistic bullies . The glee they showed while pushing apart the barriers and mobbing a tiny middle aged woman was actually quite disturbing to watch .
This, 100% this. Nothing about Shaleel is trans, he's a gay guy that has decided his pronouns are they/them because it feeds his narcissism. People like him are the reason there is going to be (and already is really) a real backlash against people with genuine gender dysphoria.
The witch trials of J K Rowling podcast is well worth listening to . They interview one of the more prominent trans activists who busts out the “ she’s putting my life in danger” line and then can’t actually say what Rowling said that was transphobic.
Never been interested in Harry Potter or any of her other works but huge respect to Rowling , to her this is no different to the religious nutters who came after her in the 90s and early 2000s .
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@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Nobody wins here. Losers all around.
I disagree. That small but vocal % of the population who believe they are on the right side of history and things like free speech, reasoned debate and civility, can't be allowed to get in the way of progress will be ecstatic - and emboldened by a belief that violence or threats brings results.
I wonder how the NZ government will react? Will Hipkins legislate for free speech like the UK did after Professor Kathleen Stock was hounded out of Oxford University by masked TG activists for saying trans people can't change biological sex?
They will do nothing . They’ll just keep quiet till it disappears out of the news cycle. Ffs these clowns are so desperate to appear in favour of “ the current thing” we actually have a former midwife as an mp who thinks men can give birth .
The next tweet under hers is from Shaleel Lal thanking her, he’s the creep who helped incite the thugs this weekend.
This isn’t the first time the government and their supporters have treated women like shit and given a pass by the media . Arderns simps were out in force when Charlotte Bellis had to go to the Taliban for help and she shed light on the other 50 plus pregnant women who were abandoned overseas . When Hipkins became pm the same people who abused and defamed her were out in force again despite him admitting he lied and acted illegally. The kids who were born overseas now have issues with getting citizenship after being illegally stuck overseas due to “ kindness “ and “empathy “ .
Punches like a girl though
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