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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The fact that it's been 2 full years also brings people like me back into the fray. People who have made lives overseas unter the expectation that as citizens we would be able to come and go to visit family, particularly when they become unwell. The Trans Ta$man bubble closed in May. As of right now, MIQ is completely closed to us, no flights even. I don't know when that changes.
It's pretty wild.
Increasingly unacceptable
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It's interesting how as soon as a denied returnee puts forward a court challenge MBIE backs down almost immediately the papers are filed. Does that point to them not wanting their system to be challenged in court or because in those instances they know they have been to restrictive?
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@crucial well if we have to take Kiwis that have been with IS or 501 deportees simply cos they were born in NZ, surely they cannot stop anyone who has done nothing wrong and has a legal right to be here too.
Like you say, I expect any time it gets challenged they back down, I also wonder if they have the right to force people to pay for MIQ, I mean claim you cant afford it and dont pay? I know people that came back last year, but were never sent a bill for it.
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@taniwharugby It may be a race against time for the government to announce a winding down of MIQ and still make it seem like it was their idea without being forced. Because the more cases that make the front page the more it may start to feel like a black eye at a time people (in Auckland at least) are losing patience with the government's covid19 response by the day
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's interesting how as soon as a denied returnee puts forward a court challenge MBIE backs down almost immediately the papers are filed. Does that point to them not wanting their system to be challenged in court or because in those instances they know they have been to restrictive?
I don't know of any challenges that have made it to court.Logic suggests that is the tactic they are using, and for exactly that reason. They are running a defensive action that makes it inconvenient enough to exhaust applicants' resources without actually engaging in court.
Murray Bolton's was the only case that made it to court, and MBIE got it's arse kicked.
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@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
They only respond to how the optics look. She was able to spin it and make them look bad. Most normal people don't have the ability or the access to do that and make it stick
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
I'm more annoyed that Jacinda's DJ friends get in ahead of more deserving people.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
I'm more annoyed that Jacinda's DJ friends get in ahead of more deserving people.
The media are so into her and the government all these stories barely make any impact. And many people outside Auckland, whose lives have barely been affected over the last 2 years, lack any outrage at all it would seem
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/31/afghanistani-mother-responds-to-pregnant-kiwi-journalists-plea/
Jeeze who didn’t see that coming.
A smear article on somebody who smeared St. Jacinda.
How completely unexpected.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
Strange take.
Right now, you have to pull any and all levers possible - if my wife were pregnant or something was going on that I could use, I’d be doing my best to shame the government (and country) into action.
We’re all in it alone - NZ clearly doesn’t give a fuck, so use whatever you can to get whatever you can get.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Well, well. They've sneakily changed those paragraphs in the page I linked to earlier.
This morning's version:
This afternoon's version:
Ever get the feeling they are just making shit up as they go along? I'm not sure why we should take anything they say seriously TBH.
The PM announced that exception for gatherings with exclusive use of the venue in the press conference - it's a shame whoever is behind the website got that part wrong initially (I'm a marriage celebrant, I spent a fair bit of time on the CANZ FB group pointing it out before the website was corrected). Press conference and transcript are here and the relevant sentence in the transcript is "These changes also won’t apply to non-public facing workplaces, swimming pools, and gatherings where you have the exclusive use of a premises." One change since the speech is to clarify that it includes weddings, but gatherings is a lot of things (weddings, funerals, church services, amateur sport, community theatre and other groups, parties etc.) so I can see why the full potential list was not read out.
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@old-samurai-jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 That is it though, isn't it? Most average Kiwis don't give a flying f#@k and actually support it in a quiet, passive way because it doesn't affect them.
if we are fair that is the majority of people about the majority of things
apathy and self interest are what allows governments to do mostly what they want
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder So what in your opinion is broken between the government and departmental layers that causes the execution to go wrong so regularly?
It's not unique to the public service - it happens in any business big enough to have multiple layers between the CEO/Board and the front line (there's a bit of material about it online). If I knew the solution to that problem, I'd be a rich consultant instead of a keyboard warrior on here.
The public service a big place with a lot of staff and mistakes happen. There is also confirmation bias to some extent - to miscoin someone else's phrase, non-mistakes isn't news so it doesn't get reported. There are something like 350,000 Crown employees (might be more now) - we don't hear about all their mistakes or good work, just the big stuff.
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