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@billy-tell I've come to believe that Omicron has actually saved us. Maybe rescued is a better term. Now all we have to do is convince the cnuts that made this shit show.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The Omicron experience around the world is still playing out
It's pretty much played out in the UK with virtually all restrictions lifted next week. The booster programme made a huge difference
At the moment it isn't doing much harm to NZ (as a whole) to keep stalling from allowing it to run free while we get some further protection against severity.
While It may not be as dangerous when you catch it as other variants except in vulnerable groups and the unvaccinated, but a 3-Jab vaccination programme is key to control Omicron. What are the plan n NZ for a booster programme?
I get the 'let it in' arguments but also understand that when faced with actually making that decision it is not a reversible option and if it backfired it would be close to a criminal act against some.
It'll get in anyway and is way more virulent than previous Covid variants - though much milder (there's a school of thought that it is a "natural vaccine"). Summer would be a good time for that happen and for a Booster programme to be well up and running..
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@victor-meldrew booster prgramme is well under way, they reduced the time from 6 month gap to 4 month, 10s of thousands a day getting them?
Well, unsurprisngly, has already made it's way out of our water tight borders
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@tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan Excess deaths were down about 2700, cumulatively, over the covid period.
There's a lot of info coming out on the impact that lockdowns and other measures have caused which will only show up in medium-long term - e..g. alcohol-related liver disease. deaths have risen by 20% in the UK since the pandemic and that is expected to grow in the coming years as the impact becomes more apparent.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
booster prgramme is well under way, they reduced the time from 6 month gap to 4 month, 10s of thousands a day getting them?
Yep, got mine on Monday. Big queues for the kids with 5 - 12 year olds starting that day too. By chance half of the youngest's cricket team were there at the same time, so their games should have minimal disruption this half of the season
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@donsteppa any issues, one of the guys at work had alot of bruising from his booster, said was quite painful for a couple of days (which is why I'm contemplating waiting closer to 6 months)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
booster prgramme is well under way, they reduced the time from 6 month gap to 4 month, 10s of thousands a day getting them?
Good to hear. Along with the summer, and the short-lived nature of any Omicron wave NZ looks in a good position. Thing to watch out for is hospital admission rates.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa any issues, one of the guys at work had alot of bruising from his booster, said was quite painful for a couple of days (which is why I'm contemplating waiting closer to 6 months)
Nope, all good for me - four and a half months since the second dose. At worst I had a slightly sore arm when lifting anything heavy that afternoon and the following morning, but that was about it.
Kids were all good too, slightly sore arms but it didn't stop them bowling or batting that afternoon.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa any issues, one of the guys at work had alot of bruising from his booster, said was quite painful for a couple of days (which is why I'm contemplating waiting closer to 6 months)
Wife got hers yesterday and is fine and at work.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa any issues, one of the guys at work had alot of bruising from his booster, said was quite painful for a couple of days (which is why I'm contemplating waiting closer to 6 months)
Not sure how waiting an extra 2 months will change your experience. Seems to be from most I know that if you were OK on the first two the booster will be the same. Got mine about three weeks ago and slight soreness for a day the only symptom.
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@crucial well 6 months was the original recommendation, plus, waiting 2 months would surely mean the vax is still stronger in my system as we head into winter, and would then delay when I need my 2nd booster sometime later this year for the Gammaray variant
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial well 6 months was the original recommendation, plus, waiting 2 months would surely mean the vax is still stronger in my system as we head into winter, and would then delay when I need my 2nd booster sometime later this year for the Gammaray variant
in all seriousness, while i got the initial vax as early as i could, and the booster the same, i am hesitant to put another dose in to me so soon actually.
This is based on nothing scientific at all, completely understand that. But i would like to have it explained to me first (@Tim i guess i would let you tell me what to read).
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@mariner4life I suspect that if we get another dose, then it will have new sequences for the variants that have emerged. Haven't seen much convincing evidence for 4th dose so far. Early days yet though, and who knows what variants are coming.
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I haven't got my booster. I was hoping to get the real thing first from my 2 x kids that had it, but no dice.
Now I don't even know when I'll get my unvaxxed kid that had it vaxxed - may as well wait to see if new-and-improved vaxes come out for the new variants?
Do I really need a booster now that might not even be that effective against the not-that-dangerous omicron? Why not just wait for the 5th booster the combats the 7th variant?
Where does it all end???
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I haven't got my booster. I was hoping to get the real thing first from my 2 x kids that had it, but no dice.
Now I don't even know when I'll get my unvaxxed kid that had it vaxxed - may as well wait to see if new-and-improved vaxes come out for the new variants?
Do I really need a booster now that might not even be that effective against the not-that-dangerous omicron? Why not just wait for the 5th booster the combats the 7th variant?
Where does it all end???
Stats i've seen is with the booster you are protected 48 times more than a unvaccinated person from death. 12 times with two.
Omicron is mostly more mild, but there are still some exceptions at the edge, and I don't want to be one.
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@voodoo We are experiencing the unprecedented advent of a new and virulent disease, combined with rapid spread and mutation due to globalisation. Unfortunately, it doesn't end, and hopefully settles into something like the annual flu.
The booster seems to be very effective against serious illness from the omicron variant, but that is quite possibly the end for this particular vaccine. This variant has demonstrated a degree of escape from immunity derived from previous variant infections, so we need all the tools we can develop.
Hate to sound like a doomer, as I am going back overseas to resume my contract soon, but managing covid will be an ongoing process, that hopefully will come to resemble pre covid life soon!
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@tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo We are experiencing the unprecedented advent of a new and virulent disease, combined with rapid spread and mutation due to globalisation. Unfortunately, it doesn't end, and hopefully settles into something like the annual flu.
The booster seems to be very effective against serious illness from the omicron variant, but that is quite possibly the end for this particular vaccine. This variant has demonstrated a degree of escape from immunity derived from previous variant infections, so we need all the tools we can develop.
Hate to sound like a doomer, as I am going back overseas to resume my contract soon, but managing covid will be an ongoing process, that hopefully will come to resemble pre covid life soon!
See, I'm OK with all of this, and I typically get the flu vaccine for all these reasons. But what I don't want to happen, is to have restrictions put on anyone's life because they are not up to date with the latest booster shot. At some point we have to let people decide what level of protection they want themselves.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I haven't got my booster. I was hoping to get the real thing first from my 2 x kids that had it, but no dice.
Now I don't even know when I'll get my unvaxxed kid that had it vaxxed - may as well wait to see if new-and-improved vaxes come out for the new variants?
Do I really need a booster now that might not even be that effective against the not-that-dangerous omicron? Why not just wait for the 5th booster the combats the 7th variant?
Where does it all end???
Stats i've seen is with the booster you are protected 48 times more than a unvaccinated person from death. 12 times with two.
Omicron is mostly more mild, but there are still some exceptions at the edge, and I don't want to be one.
Stats may be true, though with the low deaths of people dying from Omicron, the multiples get pretty warped. But my main point is that I expect this to go on for a long time - boosters and variants alike - and I want us to get to the point where people's status is their own business, not enforced, not discriminated against.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I haven't got my booster. I was hoping to get the real thing first from my 2 x kids that had it, but no dice.
Now I don't even know when I'll get my unvaxxed kid that had it vaxxed - may as well wait to see if new-and-improved vaxes come out for the new variants?
Do I really need a booster now that might not even be that effective against the not-that-dangerous omicron? Why not just wait for the 5th booster the combats the 7th variant?
Where does it all end???
Stats i've seen is with the booster you are protected 48 times more than a unvaccinated person from death. 12 times with two.
Omicron is mostly more mild, but there are still some exceptions at the edge, and I don't want to be one.
Stats may be true, though with the low deaths of people dying from Omicron, the multiples get pretty warped. But my main point is that I expect this to go on for a long time - boosters and variants alike - and I want us to get to the point where people's status is their own business, not enforced, not discriminated against.
I agree completely
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