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Transition date to the new framework announced as 23:59 2 December (effectively Friday next week). Next Monday's cabinet meeting will decide which level/colour regions will transition at (Auckland has been signalled as starting at Red).
In the meantime, hairdressers and barbers are allowed to open as an early trial (must check vaccine passes, distancing, appointments only).
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/22/nzs-new-covid-traffic-light-system-what-it-means-for-you/
Free MoH vaccine verifier app to be released this week along with sector-specific advice and technical/legislative material (the relevant legislation will be passed this week, presumably the CPF orders have been drafted as well).
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A plane flew over our house towing this message thus afternoon....
Fair to say the honeymoon is over
Because someone hired a plane to express their opinion?
Polls show otherwise.
Yeah, about as useful as people seeing a few thousand protesters and thinking there is widespread opinion against vaccination. Pretty funny though. I'm not surprised you were triggered though... 😉
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
KEEP DRIVING THAT WEDGE CREATING MORE division
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has placed the blame for her people's low rate of vaccination squarely on the Government, saying many Māori don't trust the "very white" approach it's taken.
I agree they got it all wrong at the start, but when there are Maori health groups offering vouchers and all sorts of incentives for vaccinations and people are still not getting vaxxed, at some point you just need to realise that it isnt about race, its about the choice people have made (for those not mandated and having that choice taken away)
She's Maori?
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
KEEP DRIVING THAT WEDGE CREATING MORE division
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has placed the blame for her people's low rate of vaccination squarely on the Government, saying many Māori don't trust the "very white" approach it's taken.
I agree they got it all wrong at the start, but when there are Maori health groups offering vouchers and all sorts of incentives for vaccinations and people are still not getting vaxxed, at some point you just need to realise that it isnt about race, its about the choice people have made (for those not mandated and having that choice taken away)
She's Maori?
She's whiter than me.Isn't there a word for judging people based on their skin colour?
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Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Chatting to a Maori mate of mine about this ( double jabbed ) and he put a lot of it down to historic mistrust of government, doctors, colonialism etc.
Of course in saying all this they’re happy to go down to WINZ with their hands out for money. ( his words )
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall Māori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall Māori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told.Wait, what? Are we suggesting now that 20-something manual workers don't know how to use their Iphones?
That's some bullshit right there.
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
From afar it looks like a pretty shitty excuse to say to the Gov "your approach was too white".
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall Māori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told.Wait, what? Are we suggesting now that 20-something manual workers don't know how to use their Iphones?
That's some bullshit right there.
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
From afar it looks like a pretty shitty excuse to say to the Gov "your approach was too white".
Proof was in the pudding and you have conflated two separate reasons.
Across the broad lower social economic groups have lower rates and there are many and varied reasons for this. As Māori are represented disproportionately in this group it is simple maths to understand why, as a group they would have lower rates.
The way it is described by a handful of more militant commentators doesn't detract from the facts that the original approach didn't work well and once the flexibility of methods and avenues started, and there was some other ways introduced, there has been a strong turnaround. They are now trying to reach the hardest group they have.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
Wanna bet.
If you move around a lot or live in areas where doctors are oversubscribed it can be very difficult. Even when some can afford to go to the doctor they can't find one to go to. Why do you think hospital EDs get filled with minor stuff?
When we came back from the UK and had to re-register we were nearly forced to have to go to a Dr 10kms away in order to find one that would register us and had to push our local (and previous clinic) to take us. -
Vaccine pass verifier app is due to be released today. There was also a press release and conference about a simplified risk assessment tool for vaccination mandates in workplaces:
“The tool would specify four key factors, at least three of which must be met, before it would be reasonable to require vaccination for particular work. More testing and refinement would happen over the next few weeks.
Lower risk environment factors are where workers are in 100sqm of indoor space of greater, or outside. They work at least 1 metre apart from others and are in proximity to other people for 15 minutes or less. Also, if the worker does not provide services to vulnerable people.
Higher risk factors include work in less than 100sqm of indoor space, less than 1m distance from others, more than 15 minutes in proximity to others and does not provide services to vulnerable people.”
This process won’t override risk assessments already conducted or the normal process if businesses prefer to use that. Specifics will be confirmed in regulations after legislation is passed this week.
Vaccination mandates will also automatically apply to any business where the new covid protection framework has different settings depending on whether vaccine passes are enforced or not. Date of vaccination requirements will be 3 December for the first dose and 17 January for the second dose. In reply to a question, Minister Wood confirmed that this requirement will apply whether or not the business opts into enforcing vaccine passports.
“Legislation allowing the vaccination assessment tool to be created, as well as introducing four weeks’ paid notice of termination and paid time off to get vaccinated, would be passed under urgency this week.”
Police and Construction are likely to be the next and last government vaccination mandates, and all up this will take the mandated work to about 40% of all jobs.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
Wanna bet.
If you move around a lot or live in areas where doctors are oversubscribed it can be very difficult. Even when some can afford to go to the doctor they can't find one to go to. Why do you think hospital EDs get filled with minor stuff?
When we came back from the UK and had to re-register we were nearly forced to have to go to a Dr 10kms away in order to find one that would register us and had to push our local (and previous clinic) to take us.well that differs completely from my experience last year back in NZ after a lengthy time away, I just walked into a clinic in PN with no issues, also had my aussie kids (yeah, that hurts to say) see DR's without any hassle?
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall Māori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told.Wait, what? Are we suggesting now that 20-something manual workers don't know how to use their Iphones?
That's some bullshit right there.
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
From afar it looks like a pretty shitty excuse to say to the Gov "your approach was too white".
Proof was in the pudding and you have conflated two separate reasons.
Across the broad lower social economic groups have lower rates and there are many and varied reasons for this. As Māori are represented disproportionately in this group it is simple maths to understand why, as a group they would have lower rates.
The way it is described by a handful of more militant commentators doesn't detract from the facts that the original approach didn't work well and once the flexibility of methods and avenues started, and there was some other ways introduced, there has been a strong turnaround. They are now trying to reach the hardest group they have.
In the past three weeks double vaxxed Maori have gone from 61% to 64%. Big whoop.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
Wanna bet.
If you move around a lot or live in areas where doctors are oversubscribed it can be very difficult. Even when some can afford to go to the doctor they can't find one to go to. Why do you think hospital EDs get filled with minor stuff?
When we came back from the UK and had to re-register we were nearly forced to have to go to a Dr 10kms away in order to find one that would register us and had to push our local (and previous clinic) to take us.well that differs completely from my experience last year back in NZ after a lengthy time away, I just walked into a clinic in PN with no issues, also had my aussie kids (yeah, that hurts to say) see DR's without any hassle?
try that in Auckland with intensification and see how you go.
Edit: @Crucial is right - it isn't easy
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall Māori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told.Wait, what? Are we suggesting now that 20-something manual workers don't know how to use their Iphones?
That's some bullshit right there.
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
From afar it looks like a pretty shitty excuse to say to the Gov "your approach was too white".
Proof was in the pudding and you have conflated two separate reasons.
Across the broad lower social economic groups have lower rates and there are many and varied reasons for this. As Māori are represented disproportionately in this group it is simple maths to understand why, as a group they would have lower rates.
The way it is described by a handful of more militant commentators doesn't detract from the facts that the original approach didn't work well and once the flexibility of methods and avenues started, and there was some other ways introduced, there has been a strong turnaround. They are now trying to reach the hardest group they have.
In the past three weeks double vaxxed Maori have gone from 61% to 64%. Big whoop.
Thats about the same rate of increase as other groups. My point was that if they had carried on on the rates they were at before that point the delta would have widened much more. There has been a turnaround in rates not a catch up
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
Wanna bet.
If you move around a lot or live in areas where doctors are oversubscribed it can be very difficult. Even when some can afford to go to the doctor they can't find one to go to. Why do you think hospital EDs get filled with minor stuff?
When we came back from the UK and had to re-register we were nearly forced to have to go to a Dr 10kms away in order to find one that would register us and had to push our local (and previous clinic) to take us.well that differs completely from my experience last year back in NZ after a lengthy time away, I just walked into a clinic in PN with no issues, also had my aussie kids (yeah, that hurts to say) see DR's without any hassle?
try that in Auckland with intensification and see how you go.
Edit: @Crucial is right - it isn't easy
Just less diseases in Palmy bro. Clean living folk, living their best lives and not sweating the small stuff
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
Wanna bet.
If you move around a lot or live in areas where doctors are oversubscribed it can be very difficult. Even when some can afford to go to the doctor they can't find one to go to. Why do you think hospital EDs get filled with minor stuff?
When we came back from the UK and had to re-register we were nearly forced to have to go to a Dr 10kms away in order to find one that would register us and had to push our local (and previous clinic) to take us.well that differs completely from my experience last year back in NZ after a lengthy time away, I just walked into a clinic in PN with no issues, also had my aussie kids (yeah, that hurts to say) see DR's without any hassle?
try that in Auckland with intensification and see how you go.
Edit: @Crucial is right - it isn't easy
Just less diseases in Palmy bro. Clean living folk, living their best lives and not sweating the small stuff
That's a lie, Palmy has more of the STD type ...
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