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@voodoo said in Aussie Politics:
@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
You can't have a Premier under active investigation by ICAC, no matter the charges.
Two things can be true: she was a good, hard-working Premier, and she also made a few bad decisions in relation to the seat of Wagga Wagga given her relationship with the local MP.
Now the question is does the punishment fit the crime. I'd argue it does not, but it's hard to find any middle ground these days between complete denial and resignation.
I think she has had some serious lapses in judgement. The Wagga stuff is one thing, but she also allowed meetings to take place in parliament when I think she pretty clearly knew the dealings were dodgy. I think she enabled and had knowledge of her partner doing thing illegal things.
BUT, I think she's been a great Premier, and I really want her stay on.
I don't know how to reconcile this
I think she's done a mostly good job. The longer term ramifications of some of the decisions e.g. privatisation of energy assets won't be felt for some time yet, but it gave the state the capital needed to build out transport which was overdue.
So how long would an investigation take? Surely if ICAC peeps have done their work, they're ready to go, and Gladys' defence or otherwise should likewise known how much blood was in the water. Let's not pretend that nobody knew this was coming in the Halls of Power.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@act-crusader Labor is poorer with Joel retiring.
His office is going to disappear into an open cut mine anyway, so might as well get while the getting's good.
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@nta The problem is ICAC take so long to do anything. John Sidoti has been under investigation for years with no end in sight. Same with Daryl. So you exist in this purgatory where you aren't guilty (yet), but you also can't do anything because you are the subject of an investigation.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@nta The problem is ICAC take so long to do anything. John Sidoti has been under investigation for years with no end in sight. Same with Daryl. So you exist in this purgatory where you aren't guilty (yet), but you also can't do anything because you are the subject of an investigation.
Sounds like a bureaucracy of some sort
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@antipodean thanks forgot about Greiner.
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@voodoo said in Aussie Politics:
@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
You can't have a Premier under active investigation by ICAC, no matter the charges.
Two things can be true: she was a good, hard-working Premier, and she also made a few bad decisions in relation to the seat of Wagga Wagga given her relationship with the local MP.
Now the question is does the punishment fit the crime. I'd argue it does not, but it's hard to find any middle ground these days between complete denial and resignation.
I think she has had some serious lapses in judgement. The Wagga stuff is one thing, but she also allowed meetings to take place in parliament when I think she pretty clearly knew the dealings were dodgy. I think she enabled and had knowledge of her partner doing thing illegal things.
BUT, I think she's been a great Premier, and I really want her stay on.
I don't know how to reconcile this
Well it is probably better she leaves now if the findings are likely to be against her than drag it out to court fights.
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ICAC Finds Daryl Maguire Probably Not Gonna Have Too Much Luck On The Dating Scene After This
Todayâs ICAC inquiries have revealed that disgraced former Wagga MP Daryl Maguire is not gonna have too much luck on the NSW Riverina dating scene moving forward. This comes after the public was treated to a fairly grim insight into how he treats the women he is allegedly âpersonally involved withâ â as investigators continue to unveil The watchdog has found Former NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian referred to her secret MP boyfriend Daryl Maguire as âfamilyâ in an intercepted text message, but under intense questioning at the NSW corruption watchdog insisted that she wasnât sure if he was as committed to her as she was to him. ICAC are attempting to investigated whether the former state Premier breached public trust or turned a blind eye to alleged corrupt conduct in connection to the grants, due to a conflict created by an undeclared relationship with Maguire, one that appears to have only benefitted him. A series of intercepted April 2018 texts was shown, revealing Berejiklian had assured Maguire âyou are my familyâ â in their conversations that weaved between clunky romance and alleged full blown political corruption. The transcripts, which show Maguire behaving like a pig of a man, are as follows: Daryl Maguire: do your job and lead the state Gladys Berejiklian: I canât with you DM: Iâm your biggest supporter, go back and do your job GB: But you are my family Counsel assisting the inquiry, Scott Robertson, then asked Berejiklian considered him family. âIn terms of my feelings, but definitely not in any legal sense, and definitely not in terms of anything I felt I needed to put on the public record,â Ms Berejiklian replied. Ms Berejiklian said: âI had strong feelings for him, but I wasnât assured of his commitment.â The former Premierâs many supporters are today heartbroken to see a strong female Premier being lead astray by one of the most mediocre regional bureaucrats that God breathed air into. These new revelations have found that Daryl Maguire is now far from the eligible bachelor he once was, with some experts saying he might have to move to Darwin and change his name if he ever wants to get back out there.
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@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Smith is a real deadshit. He's represents the absolute nadir of the "Merit" argument.
This guy doesn't look like the competitive rower he used to be. Certainly not helping the traffic queues in Kew. He's been Shadow Minister for Road Safety (https://www.timsmithmp.com/about/meet-tim) so he probably has an informed opinion on this matter.
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@nostrildamus resigning from the Victorian shadow cabinet is akin to me announcing I'm no longer available for Test cricket selection.
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This is the guy who blamed Dan Andrews for the weather last week, so it's quite out of character that he hasn't laid the blame for this prang on Andrews too (so far at least).
And Mathew Guy thought he was a suitable character to be Attorney-General...
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@gibbonrib said in Aussie Politics:
This is the guy who blamed Dan Andrews for the weather last week, so it's quite out of character that he hasn't laid the blame for this prang on Andrews too (so far at least).
From FB "Simpsons Against The Liberals"
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@nta said in Aussie Politics:
@nostrildamus resigning from the Victorian shadow cabinet is akin to me announcing I'm no longer available for Test cricket selection.
A shame, they could use some help.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Smith is a real deadshit. He's represents the absolute nadir of the "Merit" argument.
This guy doesn't look like the competitive rower he used to be. Certainly not helping the traffic queues in Kew. He's been Shadow Minister for Road Safety (https://www.timsmithmp.com/about/meet-tim) so he probably has an informed opinion on this matter.
Apparently being bright enough to win a 'Hansard research fellowship to study at the London School of Economics' isn't bright enough to realise having a crash and blowing over the limit isn't the road safety press coverage you were hoping for.
His career up until that point (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Smith_(Australian_politician)#Career) is everything that's wrong with politics.
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@antipodean Classic failchild.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Smith is a real deadshit. He's represents the absolute nadir of the "Merit" argument.
This guy doesn't look like the competitive rower he used to be. Certainly not helping the traffic queues in Kew. He's been Shadow Minister for Road Safety (https://www.timsmithmp.com/about/meet-tim) so he probably has an informed opinion on this matter.
Apparently being bright enough to win a 'Hansard research fellowship to study at the London School of Economics' isn't bright enough to realise having a crash and blowing over the limit isn't the road safety press coverage you were hoping for.
His career up until that point (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Smith_(Australian_politician)#Career) is everything that's wrong with politics.
Does he have a law degree? I was surprised as I thought Shadow AGs should normally have one.
I was impressed with his work ethic though, even drunk and driving after work, he tried to enter the house!
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Politics:
@nta said in Aussie Politics:
Smith is a real deadshit. He's represents the absolute nadir of the "Merit" argument.
This guy doesn't look like the competitive rower he used to be. Certainly not helping the traffic queues in Kew. He's been Shadow Minister for Road Safety (https://www.timsmithmp.com/about/meet-tim) so he probably has an informed opinion on this matter.
Apparently being bright enough to win a 'Hansard research fellowship to study at the London School of Economics' isn't bright enough to realise having a crash and blowing over the limit isn't the road safety press coverage you were hoping for.
His career up until that point (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Smith_(Australian_politician)#Career) is everything that's wrong with politics.
Does he have a law degree? I was surprised as I thought Shadow AGs should normally have one.
I was impressed with his work ethic though, even drunk and driving after work, he tried to enter the house!
(Well, a house).They definitely should have a law degree, but apparently that's a convention rather than a rule. (I believe there has been one A-G without before, but they had some other relevant professional background, can't remember the details). This was just one of the reasons that pretty much everyone in Vic was dumbfounded and horrified when Guy made Dim Tim the shadow A-G. Other reasons include him being dumb as a sack of hammers, and his personality.
As Antipodean says, he's everything that's wrong with politics.
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@gibbonrib said in Aussie Politics:
They definitely should have a law degree, but apparently that's a convention rather than a rule. (I believe there has been one A-G without before, but they had some other relevant professional background, can't remember the details).
On the other hand, how many Health Ministers have medical degrees? Infrastructure portfolio given to Engineers? Education given to Teachers?
It seems a little stupid that there are zero qualifications for being an MP but you can be given any portfolio and assume you're responsible enough to handle it or even comprehend it. I mean... Greg Hunt ffs...
Meanwhile, people love to rail at "unelected" officials making decisions (and yes we've covered this before) when they're eminently more qualified to do so.
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