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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that it is pissing you off that you have been put into lockdown and I'd be the same but I just don't see how the profession or friends is the relevant issue. They are devious and uncooperative. That's all we need to know.
Perhaps if they have been sharing bodily fluids in close contact with others is quite relevant to spread of a virus.
I'll say, Jesus Christ, that's why some businesses can open while others can't as they are unable to meet the distancing requirements. It's absolutely central to the discussion.
Thing is that even with higher likelihood of transmission the result for their contacts is still binary. Are they positive or negative?
Without their cooperation the contacts can't be advised.
The possible good thing is that those contacts will be well aware that they may have been in a high risk situation and may get tested off their own bat.This is all speculation anyway. It's based on rumour. The police have stated to the PM that they have no evidence to support the rumour.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that it is pissing you off that you have been put into lockdown and I'd be the same but I just don't see how the profession or friends is the relevant issue. They are devious and uncooperative. That's all we need to know.
Perhaps if they have been sharing bodily fluids in close contact with others is quite relevant to spread of a virus.
I'll say, Jesus Christ, that's why some businesses can open while others can't as they are unable to meet the distancing requirements. It's absolutely central to the discussion.
Thing is that even with higher likelihood of transmission the result for their contacts is still binary. Are they positive or negative?
Without their cooperation the contacts can't be advised.
The possible good thing is that those contacts will be well aware that they may have been in a high risk situation and may get tested off their own bat.This is all speculation anyway. It's based on rumour. The police have stated to the PM that they have no evidence to support the rumour.
The last - rumour, or not, they should be tested and isolated if we are still going down an elimination strategy (which is farcical now). They will be upstanding citizens whatever their "profession" for sure given their actions...and likely to do their civic duty and get tested. Right?
As for the contacts what a joke comment. If they are sex workers their QR codes are on them are they? They list their clients? The clients want to be named as contacts? It's hugely relevant.
We need to abandon elimination. It won't fucking work.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that it is pissing you off that you have been put into lockdown and I'd be the same but I just don't see how the profession or friends is the relevant issue. They are devious and uncooperative. That's all we need to know.
Perhaps if they have been sharing bodily fluids in close contact with others is quite relevant to spread of a virus.
I'll say, Jesus Christ, that's why some businesses can open while others can't as they are unable to meet the distancing requirements. It's absolutely central to the discussion.
Thing is that even with higher likelihood of transmission the result for their contacts is still binary. Are they positive or negative?
Without their cooperation the contacts can't be advised.
The possible good thing is that those contacts will be well aware that they may have been in a high risk situation and may get tested off their own bat.This is all speculation anyway. It's based on rumour. The police have stated to the PM that they have no evidence to support the rumour.
The last - rumour, or not, they should be tested and isolated if we are still going down an elimination strategy (which is farcical now). They will be upstanding citizens whatever their "profession" for sure given their actions...and likely to do their civic duty and get tested. Right?
As for the contacts what a joke comment. If they are sex workers their QR codes are on them are they? They list their clients? The clients want to be named as contacts? It's hugely relevant.
We need to abandon elimination. It won't fucking work.
I thought we already had? This is about containment. The one person identified HAS been tested and eliminated. It's just that they refuse to say who they were with or where they went.
It is massively frustrating when people wont work within the rules or cooperate further but what more can you do? No one even knows who the second person was and they are the one most likely to have contracted.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy Elimination is still the strategy outside of Auckland where we have moved to suppression.
For Warkworth and Pakiri it is a nuclear strike
How long is that going to work outside AKL? It's there.
As for North of AKL, (that isn't AKL) yes it is, but there won't be much here when they finish anyway.
Some tumbleweeds and empty shops, might as well nuke it. Fine by me.
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@crucial they have contacted the 2nd person, they just don't know where she is.
The one that did test positive has multiple close contacts apparently, but is unknown if these are in Auckland or Northland...she is doing everything she can to cover her trail and avoid police finding who she was in contact with...
Hope she gets jail time.
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The City of Sails, which has borne the brunt of the nearly two-month-long Delta outbreak, now has 86.1 per cent of eligible people with one or both jabs.
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Vaccines administered to Auckland residents to date (total): 2,123,757: 1st doses: 1,239,955 (87%); 2nd doses: 883,802 (62%)
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@taniwharugby the cat's vaccine hesitant
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Looking at the vaccine rates by area map it is clear that some rural and remote areas are being left behind. Population numbers may be small but added together they would certainly lift the overall situation.
I'm guessing that by being remote and rural their risk is considered low and isn't a focus but at some point there needs to be an effort to reach these groups I would think.There's quite a bit of good info being published through the media for the vaccine hesitant (as opposed to militant) to help them make a decision. Maybe the next step is to actively court that group rather than let them find it. The longer that is left the more it could become that those people feel pressured and could become defensive.
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Main takeaway:
Auckland L3 until next week
Waikato & Northland until Thursday at leastMandatory vaccinations for education, disability workforces
The Government has decided to mandate vaccinations for education, health and disability workforces.High-risk workers in the health and disability sector must be fully vaccinated by December 1, 2021, and must receive their first dose by October 30.
This covers GPs, pharmacists, community health nurses, midwives, paramedics and all healthcare workers in sites where patients are treated. It also includes aged residential care workers, home and community support services, kaupapa MÄori health providers and Non-Government Organisations that provide health services. A full list will be released this week.
Education staff must receive their first dose by November 15 and be fully vaccinated by January 1, 2022. Only vaccinated staff and support people at schools and early learning services will be able to have contact with children and students - schools must keep a register of this.
This area includes home-based educators, and all those support people in our schools and early learning services such as teacher-aides, administration and maintenance staff and contractors.
Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said: "While most people working in these sectors are already fully or partially vaccinated we canât leave anything to chance and are making it mandatory.
The Government has decided to mandate vaccinations for education, health and disability workforces.
High-risk workers in the health and disability sector must be fully vaccinated by December 1, 2021, and must receive their first dose by October 30.
This covers GPs, pharmacists, community health nurses, midwives, paramedics and all healthcare workers in sites where patients are treated. It also includes aged residential care workers, home and community support services, kaupapa MÄori health providers and Non-Government Organisations that provide health services. A full list will be released this week.
Education staff must receive their first dose by November 15 and be fully vaccinated by January 1, 2022. Only vaccinated staff and support people at schools and early learning services will be able to have contact with children and students - schools must keep a register of this.
This area includes home-based educators, and all those support people in our schools and early learning services such as teacher-aides, administration and maintenance staff and contractors.
Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said: "While most people working in these sectors are already fully or partially vaccinated we canât leave anything to chance and are making it mandatory.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
IF, and a big IF according to Police (not govt) investigations they were sex workers I would say that their clients are well aware who they might be. If they are currently reluctant to get tested that also won't change.
This is one of the very good reasons that privacy and a little 'secrecy' are used with tracing. People aren't going to come forward and do what they need to in a climate that makes exposes them for legal acts they might want to keep to themselves.Your stance on this is nonsensical.
Itâs pretty obvious to most of us that prostitution is a particularly risky activity during a viral epidemic. Close physical contact increases the likelihood of transmission, thatâs not up for debate, and if the people involved had sex the interaction would be much more likely to include close physical contact than if the women were there to repair roofs, or pick tomatoes.
The profession of these women isnât therefore prurient, it is context.
Northlanders are entitled to know the circumstances of the situation they find themselves in. Data and hard information would be helpful there, but the lack of cooperation from these women deprives them of anything useful like that. So obviously speculation is all they have got to base their response on. Itâs very easy for you to suggest its just salacious, the implication being that they donât really care about COVID at all, theyâre just pervy gossips having a whinge.
And of course apparently they are too dumb to realise theyâre being gulled into clickbait. Which is interesting because in the 20 years Iâve been on the Fern I've seen nothing to suggest @taniwharugby isnât at least as clever as you.
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@jc you're missing the point that a sex worker travelling around isn't having sex with everyone they contact. The risk factor from a stop at a petrol station is no different to anyone else.
The only missing part of the situation would be those they did have very close contact with and where those people have been. Given what we are told about Delta the risk isn't necessarily that much higher given that the start point is high. End result is an assumption either way that their contacts have COVID and that is the same for anyone at a location of interest.
The distribution vector increases it's base, but not by much.
How it was transmitted is irrelevant.
The only real increase in risk is not knowing and I totally get why people up there are pissed of that they don't know. Just think that focusing on the sex worker possibility is a red herring.And to think that this unsubstantiated rumour isn't salacious belies that fact that it has been spread by headline hunters and social media.
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