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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I reckon Sydney goes into a proper lockdown really soon
I wonder if the Lego store will have to close in a proper lockdown?
sounds right
was chatting to an English ex-pat when travelling south america. Riotting in his city was no bother ... until it closed his favourite kebab shop. Then it was a 'proper' riot
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I've taken the liberty of moving this to the Australia thread.
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
As an aside, a friend of ours has a sister who is a senior nurse here in NSW. She said they can't believe the approach that the Gov is taking right now with lockdowns and elimination. They have nobody in hospital, are seriously overstaffed for this. They think it's totally absurd.
I don't know if the sentiment is similar in NZ hospitals
I don't think there has been a lockdown in NZ for at least a year. Maybe Aucklanders have had one, I can't remember what they had.
Now sure your point though? NZ has done a great job achieving elimination- at a significant economic cost
Yeah. We're at 100% opposites on this one. I'm of the opinion that not doing local elimination would be a huge economic cost.
As for my point in that post. I don't see how nurses in NZ would think lockdowns for elimination are unbelievable approach when they aren't doing that. It already happened a year ago and they've subsequently returned to their normal but understaffed jobs and lives.
Not lockdowns for elimination, pursuing elimination full-time
I was a supporter of initial lockdowns til we knew what we were dealing with. I'm of the opinion now that we have enough of an idea to forego elimination and come out the other side of this.
Another way to look at it (maybe I'm just a glass half full guy) is that we have endured far less lockdowns than most other countries who weren't aiming for elimination but trying to stay afloat. We've had less strain on our health systems, less deaths, and probably less of an economic impact. There was luck involved but the lockdowns, plus the border controls has meant we've been able to live a larger % of the pandemic timeframe with some semblance of normality.
Not really aimed at you, but I think this post points very much to mine and @voodoo point. We are still doing the exact same thing 15 months later. We have not moved the meter one inch. The same triggers result in the same outcomes.
Here in Australia, some one coughs, and thr government goes "whack" and disrupts the fuck out of everyone's lives exactly the same as when this kicked off. No change in policy means we haven't learned any thing new, haven't taken any extra precautions, or more sinisterly, we aren't being told something.
NZ would be exactly the same if they had to be. Thus far they have not had to pull the trigger.
Morrison's "victims of our success" was at the same time one of the most insulting comments ever, while also being very true from a political standpoint.
Surely the elephant in the room is they learned an absolutely huge lesson 15 months ago. Local eradication was possible and they changed from flatten curve policy to local eradication. A huge lesson and a huge change in policy.
As we've witnessed from the many lockdowns imposed on Australians, eradication isn't possible and with the new more contagious variant, the argument for such a policy becomes specious.
I suspect it is more that you don't like the lesson and the policy change they have made 15 months ago, hence what them to do something different in the subsequent 15 months. Rather than that there are unthinking automations in government rolling out the same tired procedures.
The real problem is the abdication of responsibility and handing it over to unelected officials who aren't jugglling the same criteria as the general public, let alone accountable for their decisions.
Also, this is not aimed at you specifically. But from an anti-eradication argument perspective there are 2 contradicitive arguments going around.
- There is the argument like this one ; not learning, same old policies.
- And other argument; shifting the goalposts - e.g. what happened to flattening the curve, un-used hospitals beds
On the face of it you're correct but it neglects to acknowledge that the change of "flattening the curve to protect and add capacity to the healthcare system" to an unholy rejection of cases at all was not communicated to the general public. It was accepted post hoc following some election results on the back of a largely compliant media.
What is obvious is that the majority of States haven't learnt that their snap lockdowns are unnecessary and the Federal government's response ever since it shut the borders 15 months ago has been an utter fucking shambles.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The real problem is the abdication of responsibility and handing it over to unelected officials who aren't jugglling the same criteria as the general public, let alone accountable for their decisions.
I'm not sure our federal elected officials consider themselves accountable for anything
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@nta I love the irony. You drive past any school during the day right now and it is RAMMED with kids playing basketball together, scootering, hanging out. Kids can even do camps at schools for coding because it's educational.
You just can't use a school for, you know, learning stuff.
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Its pretty obvious though right?, no one likes a lockdown so tell the media its not going to happen even until the last minute. Wait until the media make a big deal out of the new numbers as they blow everything out of proportion and use that excuse to start it. Once they are in it and some are a little more comfortable with it, leaking the extension will then not come across as such a shock. For me it is just about how to minimise blow back from the majority..no surprises here
At some stage the minority will become the majority and they will not be able to play that card anymore, but until that time we will be playing that game..
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Just completed the second part of my 5G chip upload. Much quicker this time round - they seem to have their systems working a bit better.
Weirdly, I think I’m easily the oldest in the waiting area and by some distance. Did I miss the announcement that it was open to the 20s-30s?
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Just completed the second part of my 5G chip upload. Much quicker this time round - they seem to have their systems working a bit better.
Weirdly, I think I’m easily the oldest in the waiting area and by some distance. Did I miss the announcement that it was open to the 20s-30s?
wil be interested to hear how you feel a bit later..and if you try sell all your apple ecosystem then we will also know that there was success
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@bayimports said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Just completed the second part of my 5G chip upload. Much quicker this time round - they seem to have their systems working a bit better.
Weirdly, I think I’m easily the oldest in the waiting area and by some distance. Did I miss the announcement that it was open to the 20s-30s?
wil be interested to hear how you feel a bit later..and if you try sell all your apple ecosystem then we will also know that there was success
It's already more noticeable than the first one, I've got a low grade headache going on. I'll update on my Macbook tomorrow ... hopefully.
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@nepia you P-fizzy?
I finished Zenecaing my Astra yesterday ( was about 15 week gap rather than 12: had booked in for 21 June, but had to reschedule and this was the earliest available. Could perhaps have pushed and gone elsewhere but was just as easy going to same place.)
Absolutely no reaction whatsoever. Not even a sore arm.
And contrary to you Neps, was still, at 53, easily the youngest in the room (by 20+ years).
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bayimports said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Just completed the second part of my 5G chip upload. Much quicker this time round - they seem to have their systems working a bit better.
Weirdly, I think I’m easily the oldest in the waiting area and by some distance. Did I miss the announcement that it was open to the 20s-30s?
wil be interested to hear how you feel a bit later..and if you try sell all your apple ecosystem then we will also know that there was success
It's already more noticeable than the first one, I've got a low grade headache going on. I'll update on my Macbook tomorrow ... hopefully.
Why would you need a Macbook?
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bayimports said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Just completed the second part of my 5G chip upload. Much quicker this time round - they seem to have their systems working a bit better.
Weirdly, I think I’m easily the oldest in the waiting area and by some distance. Did I miss the announcement that it was open to the 20s-30s?
wil be interested to hear how you feel a bit later..and if you try sell all your apple ecosystem then we will also know that there was success
It's already more noticeable than the first one, I've got a low grade headache going on. I'll update on my Macbook tomorrow ... hopefully.
Why would you need a Macbook?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Macbook piston wristed gibbon
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@booboo Yep P-fizzy for me.
Yeah, my mate who's an old bastard like you could pick and choose when and where he did his second Astra. But, he rocked up to his appointment and his Medicare card was out of date and they wouldn't do it even though they'd done it first time round with the same out of date card and a Medicare card isn't officially needed. He's rebooked for tomorrow after getting a new card.
As for side effects, still have a thumping headache and doubled the amount of time I slept last night - I usually have about 6, zonked out for nearly 12 after watching the Wobblies v France.
Typed on my Surface that arrived by courier this morning, which I don't remember ordering. The chip works fast.
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In completely unsurprising news, ACT has determined that its mask mandate isn't actually necessary so that finishes at midnight Friday. In any competently run jurisdiction once you'd worked out you didn't need to do something, you wouldn't wait a few days to fix the problem entirely of your own making.
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lots more cases today here, expect lockdown to be tightened surely - has to be a case for a NZ L4-style week or so to put a nail in this
Edit - I say that in the context of the current approach by other States and the Feds, it's not my preferred path if I had total control
Coronavirus - Australia