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NZ has orders with 4 different suppliers of the vaccine. Pfizer-BioNTech is the only one that has provided all of the information required and has been approved by Medsafe so far.
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/status-of-applications.asp
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
TBH, I’m surprised NZ hasn’t gone all in with the Chinese vaccine given the bending over backwards Cindy does to keep them happy.
The emergence of the phrase "Indo-Pacific" has been interesting lately. e.g.
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Re caste is an unfortunate term to use with India.
Oh right they left off the "e". Wondered where we would fit in as a nation there.
Getting more into politics than the virus but will leave it here.
@MajorRage
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300322188/china-slams-gross-interference-from-jacinda-ardern-and-scott-morrisons-joint-statement-on-hong-kong-and-xinjiang?rm=aCindy hasn't completely given in to China. You and I obviously have strong views on the political issues with our connections and sadness about our former home and what has been happening there. I know that it colours my judgement at times but China will do as it wants at the moment I reckon.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I just don't really understand the fixation some have on the speed of vax rollout in NZ.
As long as the program is done before borders are ready to open and we aren't waiting to let people in because we are behind then what's the issue?
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
Maybe we would chance our arm a bit more with Oz but suggesting that we openly allow infected people through the border to test how well the vaccinations hold up is probably a step too far at this stage.
The most it would do is perhaps curtail the odd few days dip into L2On this part. The anecdote / comparison is Israel.
They've been highly vaccinated for a few months (apart from the stragglers). Which has meant internal life has gone back to normal (like NZ).
But the borders aren't open. Their borders are going to open on 1st of August, with restrictions being only people from certian approved countries and with vaccination certificates from approved organisations (E.g. EU, USA etc)
I looked this up a few days ago as was interested to see what Israel were doing as a comparison to the Singapore plans linked a few days ago. As Israel are used to living with risk. But, tbh, Israel have been the first movers, so maybe others which follow can be quicker.
So anyway, not a huge advantage to be first to be open, but huge advantage to quality of life internally.
NZ, even as a straggler, by a bit of luck, may be reaching vaccination targets as world is opening up at same time. Presumably with incomers being low risk in a world with some sort of functioning 'covid passport' kind of scheme.
It would be good to be open at start of summer, rather than winter, as there will be a wave and there will be some deaths.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
TBH, I’m surprised NZ hasn’t gone all in with the Chinese vaccine given the bending over backwards Cindy does to keep them happy.
The emergence of the phrase "Indo-Pacific" has been interesting lately. e.g.
Why? It's on the other side of Australia and their "defence" is a basket case.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Why? It's on the other side of Australia and their "defence" is a basket case.
I suspect that it is building a better diplomatic relationship so that we have trade access to nearly 1.4 billion people, and an insurance policy if we lose the other 1.4 billion that we aren't getting on all that well with.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Why? It's on the other side of Australia and their "defence" is a basket case.
I suspect that it is building a better diplomatic relationship so that we have trade access to nearly 1.4 billion people, and an insurance policy if we lose the other 1.4 billion that we aren't getting on all that well with.
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Why? It's on the other side of Australia and their "defence" is a basket case.
I suspect that it is building a better diplomatic relationship so that we have trade access to nearly 1.4 billion people, and an insurance policy if we lose the other 1.4 billion that we aren't getting on all that well with.
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
how about a WTC championship?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
In 2019 India imported $2.28 million worth of goat and sheep meat, of which New Zealand supplied 70%
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
In 2019 India imported $2.28 million worth of goat and sheep meat, of which New Zealand supplied 70%
I was kidding but we need to keep them happy then.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
In 2019 India imported $2.28 million worth of goat and sheep meat, of which New Zealand supplied 70%
I was kidding but we need to keep them happy then.
Our performance at Southampton probably didn't help with that
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
This boggles my mind.
Hypothetically, if we had 100% vaccination today, surely we'd be in a position to relax border restrictions for vaccinated folk, maybe just have 3 day stand-downs, if not open completely.
What worries me, is if we couldn't oepn with full vaccinations, when are we going to reopen international travel? With full vaccination it's shifted the risk profile to 'a really bad flu' as I understand it, which shouldn't be enough reason to shut borders.
If you're right, and vaccination doesn't make a difference, then yep - no rush, just sit back and wait, because even getting vaccinated won't do anything.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
This boggles my mind.
Hypothetically, if we had 100% vaccination today, surely we'd be in a position to relax border restrictions for vaccinated folk, maybe just have 3 day stand-downs, if not open completely.
What worries me, is if we couldn't oepn with full vaccinations, when are we going to reopen international travel? With full vaccination it's shifted the risk profile to 'a really bad flu' as I understand it, which shouldn't be enough reason to shut borders.
If you're right, and vaccination doesn't make a difference, then yep - no rush, just sit back and wait, because even getting vaccinated won't do anything.
I just think that there are still way too many unknowns out there. Vaccines are definitely the way to go and will hopefully provide the path to normalcy soon but considering the lack of data in variants etc we may be a few months away yet from declaring “come on in”.
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