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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam I posted a link to a Washington Post article that listed all vaccines under development and where they are at last week
The most developed are a viral vectored vaccine by CanSino Biologics; Beijing Institute of Biotechnology which is currently undergoing Stage 3 Trials and concurrently being distributed and a more traditional weakened virus vaccine also at Stage 3 by Beijing Institute of Biological Products; Sinopharm
Wonder if China's coronavirus programs can be trusted.
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@Siam Hard to know who to believe given her employers were Hong Kong University and they could easily have succumbed to pressure from Beijing, but this claim has been repudiated already by a host of independent sources, the University says she's bullshitting, other virologists have come out and said she's making stuff up, she has links with Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui. All of which is enough to discredit her IMO unless other independent sources substantiate what she is saying.
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Interesting. HKU are unlikely to be influenced by Beijing - well the scientists anyway. Management may have political pressure.
My wife spent 15 years working there, interviewing scientists and documenting the research, including virology. They do know their stuff. Some of the world's leading virologists are there. It has been predicted for decades that the next pandemic would come out of Southern China. Population densities, strange menu choices, etc.
It is no surprise that a Ferner in the field has ended up there.
So I'm with you @dogmeat . She's telling Porkies (unfortunate turn of phrase - but apt given history), or her research has some serious flaws.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We agree the bat wet market thing was an incorrect origin story though yeah?
Objectively it came froma lab then. ( not suggesting anything nefarious)I'm not sure about either of those statements, nor the one below but it does seem to be bats.
How it got released into general population? Dunno.
Were they researching it and it got out? Dunno.**What is the origin of COVID-19?
It is believed to have zoonotic origins and has close genetic similarity to bat coronaviruses, suggesting it emerged from a bat-borne virus. There is no evidence yet to link an intermediate animal reservoir, such as a pangolin, to its introduction to humans.
The virus shows little genetic diversity, indicating that the spillover event introducing SARS-CoV-2 to humans is likely to have occurred in late 2019.**
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@Snowy with all due respect I'll take my cues from renowned evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein who notes that no " natural" virus can evolve as quickly as this one and that research centres in Canada and Carolina also produce corona viruses.
Again not suggesting anything nasty, just that this virus didn't come from simply eating infected bats at one wet market in a country of a billion people.
I note that you clearly stated that you dunno. All good👍
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I thought it was the Pangolin that was suspected rather than bats...
Who knows, seem contradicting reports from reliable sources on both sides aboutbthe origin.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
renowned evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein
He isn't a renowned anything, and he isn't a molecular biologist, virologist, or bioinformatics expert. He teaches at a crappy university and only has two publications to his name. He's never published anything relevant to this field.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Snowy with all due respect I'll take my cues from renowned evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein who notes that no " natural" virus can evolve as quickly as this one and that research centres in Canada and Carolina also produce corona viruses.
With all due respect - it is "Bret" Weinstein and I think that taking cues from many sources gives a better overview, but that is just me.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam I dunno. There have been regular warnings about exposure to these viruses from contact with, or consumption of, asian wildlife from serious experts for over 15 years though.
Yep. Well over. The wife was interviewing HKU scientists in the mid 90's and the warnings were there.
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and again a subject that everyone wants to learn more about, is totally dominated by character assessments...
Nearly 12 months into a global civilisation ruining virus and we're no closer to knowing it's true origin with every enquiry overrun by character smears, obfuscation and shooting messengers.
2020 eh?
ps, this obsession with the messenger hijacking all conversations, not just here on the fern
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Nearly 12 months into a global civilisation ruining virus and we're no closer to knowing it's true origin with every enquiry overrun by character smears, obfuscation and shooting messengers.
I think that we have a good idea. It was bat. I can't guarantee that but most scientists agree.
What do you think about swine flu, bird flu, and the original SARS?
Civet cat for dinner tonight?
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Nearly 12 months into a global civilisation ruining virus and we're no closer to knowing it's true origin with every enquiry overrun by character smears, obfuscation and shooting messengers.
I think that we have a good idea. It was bat. I can't guarantee that but most scientists agree.
What do you think about swine flu, bird flu, and the original SARS?
Civet cat for dinner tonight?
Wasn't HIV caused by animal crossover as well?
Eating primate meat or exposed to blood infected with primate version of HIV
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Nearly 12 months into a global civilisation ruining virus and we're no closer to knowing it's true origin with every enquiry overrun by character smears, obfuscation and shooting messengers.
I think that we have a good idea. It was bat. I can't guarantee that but most scientists agree.
What do you think about swine flu, bird flu, and the original SARS?
Civet cat for dinner tonight?
Wasn't HIV caused by animal crossover as well?
Eating primate meat or exposed to blood infected with primate version of HIV
As I understand it, yes. @tim is the man to ask.
What's the solution?
We stop eating all "game" meats?
Only have farmed meat, that we know is healthy?
All become vegans?I was suicidal yesterday, but the last option would do it.
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@canefan Ebola believed to have originated with bush tucker as well. It's a two way exchange too. We have introduced polio into chimp and gorilla populations in West Africa.
I don't get why the conspiracy theories gain such ground when the obvious answer is well the obvious answer - and backed up with science.
After I ate asocena in the Philippines I learned you can contract rabies from it
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