Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.

mariner4life

I've seen NFJ at a couple of lunches and he's excellent. Loves an ale and a chat, and has great old school touring stories (like poaching salmon in Scotland)

pakman

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="barbarian" data-cid="610987" data-time="1472607562">
So are we allowed to boo Owen Franks for the next 6 years now? 
I mean he attacked our player in a viscous manner and got away without any punishment...</blockquote>
 
Quite the wordsmith for a Barbarian: you mean attacking with a thick, sticky consistency? 
That would be enough to deserve some abuse.

Mofitzy

Have Douglas or Poite spoken up? I suppose Poite wouldn't regardless but Douglas' silence on the matter, both during the game and after seems to indicate it wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be. The question then becomes, if it wasn't a gouge is it still foul play? It's like a tackle that rides the line between legal and illegal in that is becomes an inkblot for your own personal biases.

Rancid Schnitzel

NFJ is a legend, and I say that as someone who suffered a great deal of personal anguish and abuse due to the achievements of the team he captained. The difference between him and Elsom, Horwell or Moore is vast. In fact vast is a woefully inadequate word to describe the difference between them.
 
To me NFJ epitomises everything that is great about rugby union.
 
BOD on the other hand....
 
If he wants to bitch about the decision then fine, plenty of people here aren't happy with it either. But having a go at the entire country is just sad. I guess the one good thing about the rancid sewer that is Twitter is that it's a fine way of exposing what Willis certain people are. Not that BOD needed any help in that regard.

taniwharugby

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NFJ is a legend, and I say that as someone who suffered a great deal of personal anguish and abuse due to the achievements of the team he captained. The difference between him and Elsom, Horwell or Moore is vast. In fact vast is a woefully inadequate word to describe the difference between them.
 
To me NFJ epitomises everything that is great about rugby union.
 
BOD on the other hand....
 
If he wants to bitch about the decision then fine, plenty of people here aren't happy with it either. But having a go at the entire country is just sad. I guess the one good thing about the rancid sewer that is Twitter is that it's a fine way of exposing what Willis certain people are. Not that BOD needed any help in that regard.
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not to mention there arent too many who thought he wasnt lucky to not be cited, but if he goes feral then he needs to expect to be taken to task by ferals.

ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="611068" data-time="1472622205">I read a bit of it , it was so obvious he is still bitter about the Umaga incident , 
with tweets like this " in fairness you guys are never guilty of foul play!" 
this isnt about the Franks incident , this is about history , 
Cry baby</blockquote>
 
Really? I read that tweet and found it pretty funny. 
He copped some that's why he probably deleted it.

Provincial Stalwart

NFJ is all but unimpeachable. Apart from his name...I called him Dick Fart-Jones as a kid, with his sidekick Michael Vagynagh. 
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Catogrande

Poor old BOD, he does cop it doesn't he? In his tweet he expressed an opinion on the Franks incident, an opinion that many on here feel the same about, then cops some feral responses and reacts. Cue a load of frothing on The Fern. Not much of a mention about the petty responses to his first innocuous tweet. In the report (from Stuff let us not forget, the same Stuff that has a whole thread on here to itself about how shite it is)there does not seem to be any proper attempt at a timeline and nor do we know about how many other feral tweets he got in response. His only really twatty tweet he deleted and admitted it was petty. I'm not sure how much more the bloke can do without winding some of you guys up like clockwork. Live in a monastery and take a vow of silence might do it, but I doubt it.

KiwiPie

Twitter is a medium as is Facebook - what you read on it is your own personal choice - suffice to say, the best and worst of humanity is easy to find. I really like Twitter, but then I don't follow "famous" people at all - if you follow the good journos and other interesting folk it is an excellent way to get a really fast impression of sporting events without having to wade through reams of words. Pick your moments, too much social media of any sort is bad for you.

jegga

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Poor old BOD, he does cop it doesn't he? In his tweet he expressed an opinion on the Franks incident, an opinion that many on here feel the same about, then cops some feral responses and reacts. Cue a load of frothing on The Fern. Not much of a mention about the petty responses to his first innocuous tweet. In the report (from Stuff let us not forget, the same Stuff that has a whole thread on here to itself about how shite it is)there does not seem to be any proper attempt at a timeline and nor do we know about how many other feral tweets he got in response. His only really twatty tweet he deleted and admitted it was petty. 
I'm not sure how much more the bloke can do without winding some of you guys up like clockwork. Live in a monastery and take a vow of silence might do it, butI doubt it.
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No, I'd be cool with him doing that.
 
With his history raising his head above the parapet and joining the thrashwank with Jones, the Turtleneck turd and Moore was never going to get him a nice response from kiwis especially on twitter . A vow of silence from him would be fantastic.

Rancid Schnitzel

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Poor old BOD, he does cop it doesn't he? In his tweet he expressed an opinion on the Franks incident, an opinion that many on here feel the same about, then cops some feral responses and reacts. Cue a load of frothing on The Fern. Not much of a mention about the petty responses to his first innocuous tweet. In the report (from Stuff let us not forget, the same Stuff that has a whole thread on here to itself about how shite it is)there does not seem to be any proper attempt at a timeline and nor do we know about how many other feral tweets he got in response. His only really twatty tweet he deleted and admitted it was petty. 
I'm not sure how much more the bloke can do without winding some of you guys up like clockwork. Live in a monastery and take a vow of silence might do it, but I doubt it.
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Seems like it was BOD who got all wound up this time. I'm astounded that he could have gotten feral responses on Twitter. Of all places, Twitter? That must have been totally unexpected.

Catogrande

The things is though Jegga, that most of the stuff I've seen from him on the 2005 incident has been for some years now, only in response to being goaded about it. For the most part he's stated that it's all water under the bridge. Unfortunately people won't let that go and seemingly he's not bright enough to ignore that. Either that or he's much brighter than he seems and he's running a double bluff. This latest thing is all a big hoo-ha about nothing and he's not the one making it into anything other than the insignificant exchange of views and insults than it was. Ask yourself this - was this little twitter spat worthy of such a piece of "journalism" and the concurrent outpouring of bile? I just don't get it mate.

barbarian

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Seems like it was BOD who got all wound up this time.
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Looking at the last few pages of this thread, not sure BOD is the only one getting 'all wound up'.

ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="barbarian" data-cid="611138" data-time="1472640806">Looking at the last few pages of this thread, not sure BOD is the only one getting 'all wound up'.</blockquote>
 
I guess it's justified, after all Phipps did a dog act of throwing the boot away....

NTA

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I guess it's justified, after all Phipps did a dog act of throwing the boot away....
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Hey its player safety! He's concerned about someone getting injured by a stray boot ;)
 
 
Kane Douglas has had a quiet word (article may contain traces of BOD):
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallaby-kane-douglas-says-he-didnt-feel-he-was-victim-of-eye-gouge-from-all-black-owen-franks/news-story/7ff281114a9957c8cab90ea10ebdbd8e'>http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallaby-kane-douglas-says-he-didnt-feel-he-was-victim-of-eye-gouge-from-all-black-owen-franks/news-story/7ff281114a9957c8cab90ea10ebdbd8e</a>
 
WALLABIES lock Kane Douglas has tried to diplomatically defuse the outrage over â€œGougegateâ€ by saying he never felt his eyes were being attacked by All Black Owen Franks.
 
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The burly Douglas was uneasy about discussing the hot topic for the first time after TV footage showed the fingers of prop Franks over and around the lockâ€™s eyes at a maul.
The angst of Oâ€™Driscoll and others worldwide is that the matter was not even judged worthy of a hearing when anything that resembles a dangerous or tip tackle is rushed to a citing.
â€œI probably didnâ€™t realise how bad it looked until after the game (when watching it on TV),â€ Douglas said.
â€œMy eyes were fine and it all happened so quickly I was on to the next thing in the game.â€
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When asked if he felt he had been eye-gouged, Douglas was clear.
â€œI didnâ€™t think of it like that,â€™â€™ he said. â€œIt was an All Black trying to stop me driving through the maul, arms everywhere and everything happening in a few seconds.
â€œIâ€™ve got no issue at all but obviously you want to be protecting the eyes of players.â€™â€™

Billy Tell

Moral of the story: avoid twitter.
 
I hate it. Worst invention ever.

Rancid Schnitzel

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="barbarian" data-cid="611138" data-time="1472640806">
Looking at the last few pages of this thread, not sure BOD is the only one getting 'all wound up'.</blockquote>
 
Having had a quick glance at GandG, it seems you guys take that particular expression to the next level. And then some.

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="611143" data-time="1472642150">
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Having had a quick glance at GandG, it seems you guys take that particular expression to the next level. And then some.
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Yeah. Doesn't make either side look pretty.
 
Its interesting that World Rugby have washed their hands of proceedings. I wonder what they would do if they had jurisdiction, given what happened to Mariano Galarza at RWC2015.

barbarian

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="611143" data-time="1472642150">
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Having had a quick glance at GandG, it seems you guys take that particular expression to the next level. And then some.
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'You guys'???
 
The evidence of this whole saga is the same conclusion you can draw from all of rugby.
 
Every country has a few dickhead players, dickhead coaches, dickhead fans. No-one is above reproach at all. We are all more or less the same, and any attempts to paint whole groups of fans, nations, teams etc with the same brush are ridiculous.
 
This is the outrage cycle that consumes us all. Someone does something stupid. Someone reacts to that. And we all fly off the handle, taking up pitchforks to defend whatever side we choose.
 
Nobody wins. Ever.

Rancid Schnitzel

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="611136" data-time="1472640722">
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The things is though Jegga, that most of the stuff I've seen from him on the 2005 incident has been for some years now, only in response to being goaded about it. For the most part he's stated that it's all water under the bridge. Unfortunately people won't let that go and seemingly he's not bright enough to ignore that. Either that or he's much brighter than he seems and he's running a double bluff. 
This latest thing is all a big hoo-ha about nothing and he's not the one making it into anything other than the insignificant exchange of views and insults than it was. Ask yourself this - was this little twitter spat worthy of such a piece of "journalism" and the concurrent outpouring of bile? 
I just don't get it mate.
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What is it you're so upset about? Most people here agree that Franks was lucky, but think that what BOD said about NZ was out of line and he's a twat for saying it. Oh yeah and Twitter is a pretty shitty thing. What's the problem exactly?

The Silver Fern

Bledisloe II - Have a stab at the teams.