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Quite the PR coup for Ardern to be addressing the UN at the same time as the Kavanaugh “sexual assault” testimony. I can’t imagine she’s going to get much coverage when up against that. Except here of course, our news networks have convinced themselves that she has transformed into a major power broker. Because the heavy hitters all look to Colbert for their political intel.
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booboo said:
Thanks @canefan @jegga. I think I kind of assumed the gist of it.
So if an MP wants out there's a byelection?
On first glance I agree that a list MP should remain bound to the party. They got in only on the basis of the electorate voting for the party not the person.
Does it apply to an electorate MP as eell? Geiven thry are a person as well as (potentially) aparty member?
I’m not convinced even list MPs should be bound to their party like this , the hypocrisy of the Greens voting for it over the wishes of the party’s founders is pretty astounding too . Also there this
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12108254
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@jc Cindy is wowing all the world leaders with her great words and our media is lapping it up like the pathetic puppies they are.
Both she and Whinny are getting such a free ride in comparison to the scrutiny Nation had on them from the media.
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taniwharugby said:
@jc Cindy is wowing all the world leaders with her great words and our media is lapping it up like the pathetic puppies they are.
Both she and Whinny are getting such a free ride in comparison to the scrutiny Nation had on them from the media.
IIRC the Nats got a reasonably smooth ride in their first term. But they were a pretty capable bunch after a near miss the election before, not like the dumpster fire we have now
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@jegga I reckon that certainly if you're a List MP you should be bound to your party. Just because you no longer like your party doesn't mean that the people whose votes have installed you there agree with you.
If you feel strongly enough the need to ditch your party, then resign and let the next person come in.
The $300K contract is pretty ludicrous.
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Chris B. said:
@jegga I reckon that certainly if you're a List MP you should be bound to your party. Just because you no longer like your party doesn't mean that the people whose votes have installed you there agree with you.
If you feel strongly enough the need to ditch your party, then resign and let the next person come in.
The $300K contract is pretty ludicrous.
Yeah the $300K contract clause is astonishing.
However if you’re unhappy and disaffected with where the party is going, history will show that you can actually do more damage from inside the tent than moving to be an independent.
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Chris B. said:
@jegga I reckon that certainly if you're a List MP you should be bound to your party. Just because you no longer like your party doesn't mean that the people whose votes have installed you there agree with you.
If you feel strongly enough the need to ditch your party, then resign and let the next person come in.
The $300K contract is pretty ludicrous.
Does that mean that if you strongly disagree with the direction your party has taken or you feel it’s abandoned the principles that got it elected in the first place you should have to leave parliament and someone further down the list who won’t make a fuss should take your place?
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Donsteppa said:
Chris B. said:
@jegga Yep! You're representing the people who elected you, not yourself.
Until a party moves away from what the people elected them to do...
Exactly, that’s the reason Winston left National. He only wants this because the people he picks for his MPs are usually human detritus and he can’t trust them .
The Greens are probably abandoning what little integrity they have left because of the two MPs who left after the material girl went public with her benefit fraud.
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Donsteppa said:
Chris B. said:
@jegga Yep! You're representing the people who elected you, not yourself.
Until a party moves away from what the people elected them to do...
The rest of us have to wait three years to get rid of the lying fuckers - why should an MP who's actually had a seat at the table get this privilege?
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Voting this bill in drops us down the electoral freedom index
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132264
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Jacinda has done well - positive press in our news and all over my social media - including from my business oriented colleagues - each of whom were impressed with her, well, kiwiness.
It’s a strange thing, but she seems to have caught people’s attention in a harmless, yet positive way. I still think she’s a lightweight, but she seems to have made every post a winner on this trip.
I want to add that I am a right leaning liberal (voted ACT and National only) who isn’t in the market to change, but I think it’s fair to admit she’s been pretty good at using whatever options are available to her in this trip.
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gt12 said:
Jacinda has done well - positive press in our news and all over my social media - including from my business oriented colleagues - each of whom were impressed with her, well, kiwiness.
It’s a strange thing, but she seems to have caught people’s attention in a harmless, yet positive way. I still think she’s a lightweight, but she seems to have made every post a winner on this trip.
I want to add that I am a right leaning liberal (voted ACT and National only) who isn’t in the market to change, but I think it’s fair to admit she’s been pretty good at using whatever options are available to her in this trip.
And on this trip she’s achieved .....what exactly?
Just as well baby Neve was there.
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See how far you get without tasting a bit of vomit in your mouth
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