Chris Gayle. Stay Classy
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<p>Great thread guys. Props to hydro for propping it along.</p>
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<p>Bullshit anecdotal evidence. Some more anecdotal evidence is that I've known guys that have rejected girls and the crazy fucking bitches have stalked them for months after and tried to sabotage any future relationship they have by making up lies about them. I'd rather someone call me a name and never bother me again then that shit. There are some crazy fucking woman out there, don't sit there and tell me they are always the "victim" in everything because they are so "intimidated" by men.</p>
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<p>You say in this post that I'm telling you that women are always the victim. Let's see what I have posted:</p>
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<p>'These things are more difficult when you are woman.'</p>
<p>'Some women are intimidated by men who are often stronger than they are. Women are more likely to feel threatened if they turn down a man than vice-versa.'</p>
<p>'A lot of women I know do the whole fake number thing to move men along. Or else they say they have a boyfriend.'</p>
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<p>I'm not saying being threatening will help you get a girlfriend. I'm just saying that some girls get intimidated when they are asked out by some guys.'</p>
<p>'I'm saying the 'some girls' is a larger group than the 'some guys.''</p>
<p>'So, yes, it is more difficult to say no when you are a woman because you are more likely to get a negative reaction from a guy.'</p>
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<p>So where the hell did you get always from? How many times do i have to say some women for you to get that I'm talking about some women. Where the hell did I say that women are always a victim? I have been quite clear about what I am talking about and what I am not. Admittedly, I should have read TR's post better earlier in the thread and I did apologise for that but that was one post and you have thoroughly misunderstood almost everything I have written in this thread! I just don't know what you have been reading to get that I think women are always victims or that they are always intimidated. Is most likely a synonym for always? </p>
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<p>Do you really think it is just as easy for a girl to turn down a guy as it is for a guy to turn down a girl? If you want statistics you can look up the victims of rape or you can find out which sex is more likely to be sexually harassed. There is no way a discussion of women being rejected by men would go the same way, anecdotal or otherwise.</p>
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<p>If you want stats, here ya go: "The survey found that 8% of women and 2% of men have been stalked at some time during their lives. This means that 1 out of every 12 women, and 1 out of ever 45 men have been stalked during their lives (2)." <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/stalking.shtml'>https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/stalking.shtml</a></p>
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<p>Stalking helps to back up my point that women are <strong>more likely </strong>(see I bolded it for you this time) to be victims if they reject men. Men can also be victims of stalking but it is<strong> less likely </strong>(don't confuse with never).</p> -
<p>I'm not totally sure what your point is. I assume it is this?</p>
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<p><strong><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So, yes, it is more difficult to say no when you are a woman because you are more likely to get a negative reaction from a guy.</span></strong></p>
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<p><span>I'm not trying to argue that woman don't face all manner of issues around sexism in society, but all Gayle did wrong was ask her out on live tele which was embarrassing for Mel (I would say both of them but Gayle has no shame), but hardly a big deal. People jumping on their high horses and screaming "SEXISM" are undermining the real issues around sexism that are <em>actually </em>impacting woman. Just like people that try and find racism everywhere - undermining actual issues around race that we need to address.</span></p> -
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<p>I'm not totally sure what your point is. I assume it is this?</p>
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<p><strong><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So, yes, it is more difficult to say no when you are a woman because you are more likely to get a negative reaction from a guy.</span></strong></p>
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<p><span>I'm not trying to argue that woman don't face all manner of issues around sexism in society, but all Gayle did wrong was ask her out on live tele which was embarrassing for Mel (I would say both of them but Gayle has no shame), but hardly a big deal. People jumping on their high horses and screaming "SEXISM" are undermining the real issues around sexism that are <em>actually </em>impacting woman. Just like people that try and find racism everywhere - undermining actual issues around race that we need to address.</span></p>
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<p>Now, now NQ, we've clearly moved on from Gayle, the point of this thread is stating the case for being intimidating and watching the honeys flock to your aggressive aura......</p>
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<p>As for that stalking stat that hydro11 claims the 2% is either completely wrong or I'm unlucky enough to have all the male victims as mates. The amount of times I've sat down for a brew with guys I know and we all have a story about "that psycho bitch" we used to go out with/rejected or whatever......</p> -
The survey hydro quoted is talking about people being stalked by their abusive ex-partners, so is not really relevant to the point he was trying to make.
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<p>The survey hydro quoted is talking about people being stalked by their abusive ex-partners, so is not really relevant to the point he was trying to make.</p>
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<p>.....and there are "degrees" of stalking too of course. Lots of unwanted texts vs letting herself in the house cutting up all your cushions and slitting her wrists ( I watched "Play Misty for me" recently )</p>
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<p>I've had it at the lower end of the scale a few times, not sure if chicks dig me or if I'm a magnet for lunatics. I'd say the latter.</p>
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<p>But I'm sure most blokes have been in a "God damn, won't this mutha fucken bitch just leave me alone?" situation.....</p>
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<p>CVO??</p>
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<p>Ha -= fat finger, was supposed to be CFO. Although I guess if V stood for Vagina ...</p>
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<p>I just thought the major was being particularly candid</p>
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<p>A CVO is a hot, intelligent woman who for some reason no one can understand hooks up with a lame bloke....</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:8px;">​just saying...</span></p>
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<p>I just thought the major was being particularly candid</p>
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<p>A CVO is a hot, intelligent woman who for some reason no one can understand hooks up with a lame bloke....</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:8px;">​just saying...</span></p>
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<p>Basically if you don't want to intimidate or offend anyone you are asking out, then it helps if they are heavily sedated.</p>
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<p>Ah yes, the Bill Cosby method of seduction. All the females at his house got drugs, alcohol and sex at his parties.</p>
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<p>Ah yes, the Bill Cosby method of seduction. All the females at his house got drugs, alcohol and sex at his parties.</p>
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<p>Whether they wanted them or not.</p>
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<p>Stalking helps to back up my point that women are <strong>more likely </strong>(see I bolded it for you this time) to be victims if they reject men. Men can also be victims of stalking but it is<strong> less likely </strong>(don't confuse with never).</p>
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<p>Lies damn lies and statisitics.</p>
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<p>There is no real evidence that women are more likely to be stalked... first you need to define stalking. Then you need to make it clear that you are talking about reported stalkings. I have a couple of mates who have been 'stalked' by some pretty horrid young women. They didn't go to the police and it will never appear in any stats.</p>
<p>Of course not all women report stalkings either, but like domestic violence it is well known that men simply dont report to the same level as women.</p>
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<p>About 10 years ago I asked a colleague of mine out whilst she was working. She's now the mother of my children and my CVO.</p>
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<p>Dick move be damned. If your attracted to a girl, and you never find the right time to ask her out (because she's working is a classic lame-arse excuse), then you never know what you may miss out on.</p>
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<p>How the hell have you kept that secret from your wife????</p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/14/chris-gayle-mel-mclaughlin-sexism-row-west-indies-cricket'>https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/14/chris-gayle-mel-mclaughlin-sexism-row-west-indies-cricket</a></p>
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<p>Another good interview with the World King in today's Guardian. Addresses a lot of the stuff we "discussed" over these 7 pages</p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/14/chris-gayle-mel-mclaughlin-sexism-row-west-indies-cricket'>https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/14/chris-gayle-mel-mclaughlin-sexism-row-west-indies-cricket</a></p>
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<p>Another good interview with the World King in today's Guardian. Addresses a lot of the stuff we "discussed" over these 7 pages</p>
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<p>Some really good points made there, in that shambles of a team he was comfortably second best batsman there after Chanderpaul for so many years. Shame many of the rest weren't test standard.</p>
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<p>That bit about the racism in his own country was surprising. I could be wrong but most players from there I remember were of the darker complexion.</p>
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<p>I definitely want hydro11's views on all this though<br>
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<p>I just said that</p>
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<p>I'm not totally sure what your point is. I assume it is this?</p>
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<p><strong><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So, yes, it is more difficult to say no when you are a woman because you are more likely to get a negative reaction from a guy.</span></strong></p>
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<p><span>I'm not trying to argue that woman don't face all manner of issues around sexism in society, but all Gayle did wrong was ask her out on live tele which was embarrassing for Mel (I would say both of them but Gayle has no shame), but hardly a big deal. People jumping on their high horses and screaming "SEXISM" are undermining the real issues around sexism that are <em>actually </em>impacting woman. Just like people that try and find racism everywhere - undermining actual issues around race that we need to address.</span></p>
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<p>I never said it was a big deal. Doesn't the fact that I repeatedly said Gayle didn't deserve a fine indicate that I thought it wasn't a big deal? Good lord, I'm glad I didn't see this until now.</p>
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<p>What Gayle did was sexist but only mildly so. I don't think asking a woman out when she is working or busy is sexist, it is just inconsiderate unless the circumstances dictate otherwise. You guys make me sound like I'm crazy but all I'm saying is don't ask out the checkout lady if there are 30 people in line. No biggie. Just use your common sense. I'm hardly a poster boy for feminism.</p>