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Winger

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From what i've heard there were members of management also out with the 5 players who returned at the same time as the players. I wonder what their punishment is? 
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They might have their bottoms smacked. And told to go to their rooms and stay there.
 
edit or is this allowed now. Whatever the acceptable punishment is for children back in NZ today

Winger

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Because they are proven to work. 
 
These guys aren't turning up to work at a bank (though see how you get on turning up 18 minutes late from lunch there), they are closer to being in the army.
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I will see how the season pans out now. But surely we can all agree that Boyd has handled this very minor issue appallingly

taniwharugby

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I will see how the season pans out now. But surely we can all agree that Boyd has handled this very minor issue appallingly
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I dont agree...this was a team enforced curfew, so one assumes the team would have discussed penalties for a breach of their curfews/rules, so maybe its the players you need to be criticising not Boyd?

Bones

Winger acting like a teenager again.

Stargazer

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I will see how the season pans out now. But surely we can all agree that Boyd has handled this very minor issue appallingly
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I dont agree...this was a team enforced curfew, so one assumes the team would have discussed penalties for a breach of their curfews/rules, so maybe its the players you need to be criticising not Boyd? 
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I don't agree either, for the same reasons as TR
 
You sound like Jim Kayes, who has also tweeted multiple times how he doesn't understand there being a curfew & punishment.

Canes4life

The senior leadership group and the coaches obviously put a curfew in for a reason. I praise Boyd for sticking to his team protocols and I respect his decision. 
 
It doesn't matter who you are. If you break the rules you deserve to be punished accordingly.
 
Too many times in the past there have been players in the Canes that have probably gotten away with such behavior and that is probably why we've always had a "lad" type culture.
 
I get a sense there is still a bit of that culture remaining in the Canes where guys like Julian Savea and Cory Jane walk around like they own the place.
 
That's where the Canes are different to the likes of the Chiefs, Highlanders and Crusaders in that they lack the discipline off the field which in turn leads to inconsistency on the field.
 
Whether you like it or not Boyd has done the right thing here. If the Canes are to be taken seriously they need to set high standards and if these standards are broken then punishments like these need to be implemented. 
 
I really hope this minor indiscretion doe not ruin our season because that is not fair on the fans. If you look at the big picture though im sure the players will think twice about their actions. Hopefully they will make the right decisions in the future.

taniwharugby

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The senior leadership group and the coaches obviously put a curfew in for a reason. I condemn Boyd for sticking to his team protocols and I respect his decision. 
 
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Judging by your post, me thinks this is a typo...;)

No Quarter

Agree, if you accept bullshit behaviour then you are going to get a lot of bullshit behaviour. Just ask the Warriors. You set the standards and protocols, if they get broken then you enforce consquences, otherwise why the fuck have them in the first place? 
The All Blacks could have easily flown Cruden over when he missed his flight, but unsurprisingly they left him at home as they don't tolerate that kind of behaviour.

Siam

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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79906281/Hurricanes-stand-down-errant-All-Blacks-for-Super-Rugby-match-v-Reds'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79906281/Hurricanes-stand-down-errant-All-Blacks-for-Super-Rugby-match-v-Reds</a>
The Hurricanes are calling their decision to stand five players down from selection as a "one-out-of-10 offence with a 10-out-of-10 punishment."
Star players Julian and Ardie Savea, Cory Jane and Victor Vito, along with reserve prop Chris Eves, will watch Saturday's Super Rugby clash with the Reds from the Westpac Stadium stands after breaking a team-imposed curfew last week.
The five players are understood to have missed a prescribed curfew by 18 minutes, in Durban last Tuesday. Neither Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd nor captain Dane Coles would say what the curfew was, although Boyd noted that the quintet were back at the team hotel before midnight.
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I remember seeing some new All Blacks interviewed in one of their home made videos remarking on how he's always checking his watch and getting to every team function 15 minutes early
 
Good habits

Dan54

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Agree, if you accept bullshit behaviour then you are going to get a lot of bullshit behaviour. Just ask the Warriors. You set the standards and protocols, if they get broken then you enforce consquences, otherwise why the fuck have them in the first place? 
The All Blacks could have easily flown Cruden over when he missed his flight, but unsurprisingly they left him at home as they don't tolerate that kind of behaviour.
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Even more, Cruden never missed his flight ,he missed bus to airport, still got to airport in time for flight but was told to go home. You have to have rules!!

ACT Crusader

This would never have happened under Hammer.....

Rancid Schnitzel

On the radio here in Brisbane they couldn't believe their luck. 5 top players, including 3 Allblacks!!! 
Reckon they'll still get done. I couldn't really care about J Savea and Jane. Savea is still fat and shit and Jane is past it. The other 3 are more important, but the current cattle should be more than good enough. 
I'm just glad Coles and Barrett are still there.

Rancid Schnitzel

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This would never have happened under Hammer..... :)</blockquote>
 
If he was still coach he wouldn't have had any more Allblacks to suspend.

Frye

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href=''>http://i.stuff.co.nz...by-match-v-Reds</a> 
The Hurricanes are calling their decision to stand five players down from selection as a "one-out-of-10 offence with a 10-out-of-10 punishment."</blockquote>
 
How bad is the journalism in that first quote from Bidwell? 
You can't just say "the Hurricanes" when what you really mean is "Hurricanes fans". 
I hate how low standards have fallen.

taniwharugby

haha, Nonu gets in on the action
 
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KiwiMurph

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How bad is the journalism in that first quote from Bidwell? 
You can't just say "the Hurricanes" when what you really mean is "Hurricanes fans". 
I hate how low standards have fallen.
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The journalism on Stuff is terrible.
 
However, on this ocassion, that is a direct quote from Boyd, so I think Bidwell is correct.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/303682/player-penalty-tough-on-hurricanes'>http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/303682/player-penalty-tough-on-hurricanes</a>
 
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Boyd says alcohol wasn't an issue.
He says the players set up the curfew and therefore the five had to face the consequences.
"Once that curfew was imposed, they were bound by the protocols and that says they miss a game."
"This is a one out of ten offence, but a ten out ten punishment unfortunetly, but protocols and protocols."
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Frye

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The journalism on Stuff is terrible. 
However, on this ocassion, that is a direct quote from Boyd, so I think Bidwell is correct. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/303682/player-penalty-tough-on-hurricanes">http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/303682/player-penalty-tough-on-hurricanes</a></blockquote>
 
Ahh my bad, I read the article but couldn't find who that quote was attributed to.

ACT Crusader

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Isn't this pathetic. 18 minutes late and all the articles about it. Boyd must be a complete fool to make such a big issue of it. Just have a quiet word and move on. Not treat them like naughty children. No wonder the team was flat against the Sharks. The players must have lost their respect for him and the team management
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79906281/Hurricanes-stand-down-errant-All-Blacks-for-Super-Rugby-match-v-Reds'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79906281/Hurricanes-stand-down-errant-All-Blacks-for-Super-Rugby-match-v-Reds</a>
The Hurricanes are calling their decision to stand five players down from selection as a "one-out-of-10 offence with a 10-out-of-10 punishment."
Star players Julian and Ardie Savea, Cory Jane and Victor Vito, along with reserve prop Chris Eves, will watch Saturday's Super Rugby clash with the Reds from the Westpac Stadium stands after breaking a team-imposed curfew last week.
The five players are understood to have missed a prescribed curfew by 18 minutes, in Durban last Tuesday. Neither Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd nor captain Dane Coles would say what the curfew was, although Boyd noted that the quintet were back at the team hotel before midnight.
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Players set up curfew and rule - check
Some players break curfew - check
Players punished for breaking curfew - check 
Rule imposed as per curfew - check
Players not selected - check
 
Yet this is all Boyd's fault????

mariner4life

sounds like pseudo-discipline to me....

MN5

I heard some folk on talkback mentioning that perhaps they should fine the players rather than potentially screw things for the team and the fans by dropping them ?
 
That's some serious talent to take out of a team in one go.
 
Jane needs to grow up though, off the top of my head I'm certain he'd be the oldest Cane yet he sure as shit doesn't act like it.

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