All Blacks EOYT
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
Robertson mentioned that Hotham is better off playing for the AB XV than just being a squaddie, and that applies to Lakai too.
But if TJP continues to make the test 23 we know we're fucked.
Differs player to player I suppose. Probably a fair call with Hotham on the basis that Roigard probably plays the Japan test, and then probably plays the next 3 all going well. He has already spent time with the ABs, so actually playing would be good for him
If that does come to pass, is TJP on the pine? Or Cortez?
If it's Cortez, what is the point of bringing TJP?
Cortez is 100% in the team. TJP there to run the drinks... I think evidence suggests Ratima is probably seen as ahead of TJP.
If that's the case then why the fuck wouldn't you want Hotham being in that environment soaking it all in and learning & understanding the 'playbook' in training?
Because as I explained, Hotham has already done that through the Rugby Championship. He has hardly had a kick since Super Rugby. He'll get more out of putting it all into action in a couple of games for the NZ XV then he will sitting in the stands.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
Robertson mentioned that Hotham is better off playing for the AB XV than just being a squaddie, and that applies to Lakai too.
But if TJP continues to make the test 23 we know we're fucked.
Differs player to player I suppose. Probably a fair call with Hotham on the basis that Roigard probably plays the Japan test, and then probably plays the next 3 all going well. He has already spent time with the ABs, so actually playing would be good for him
If that does come to pass, is TJP on the pine? Or Cortez?
If it's Cortez, what is the point of bringing TJP?
Cortez is 100% in the team. TJP there to run the drinks... I think evidence suggests Ratima is probably seen as ahead of TJP.
If that's the case then why the fuck wouldn't you want Hotham being in that environment soaking it all in and learning & understanding the 'playbook' in training?
Because as I explained, Hotham has already done that through the Rugby Championship. He has hardly had a kick since Super Rugby. He'll get more out of putting it all into action in a couple of games for the NZ XV then he will sitting in the stands.
Thank you professor
You may have 'explained' it but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it and/or it's the correct decision on Razor's part
If Roigard becomes Blackadder 3.0 and gets injured then you're stuck with TJP playing minutes
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Roigard becomes Blackadder 3.0 and gets injured then you're stuck with TJP playing minutes
I think that's a big part of the reason, though.
If Roigard gets injured, they've got 87 test Perenara to call on - as opposed to Hotham, who so far has had 40 minutes off the bench vs Fiji.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
If we picked Sotutu and he failed, the claim would be why isn't Sititi in the ABs
No it wouldn't have been, even Chiefs fans were surprised by his elevation.
I'm not talking about at the time, I'm taking about right here right now. Sititi would have ripped it up in the NPC, and people would be clamouring for him.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Roigard becomes Blackadder 3.0 and gets injured then you're stuck with TJP playing minutes
I think that's a big part of the reason, though.
If Roigard gets injured, they've got 87 test Perenara to call on - as opposed to Hotham, who so far has had 40 minutes off the bench vs Fiji.
Hotham is still incredibly raw...
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Nepia said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
If we picked Sotutu and he failed, the claim would be why isn't Sititi in the ABs
No it wouldn't have been, even Chiefs fans were surprised by his elevation.
I'm not talking about at the time, I'm taking about right here right now. Sititi would have ripped it up in the NPC, and people would be clamouring for him.
Well if Sotutu failed in his tests he'd likely be dropped for Sititi anyway. And who knows what form he would have had in the NPC in your alternate universe.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Roigard becomes Blackadder 3.0 and gets injured then you're stuck with TJP playing minutes
I think that's a big part of the reason, though.
If Roigard gets injured, they've got 87 test Perenara to call on - as opposed to Hotham, who so far has had 40 minutes off the bench vs Fiji.
Hotham is still incredibly raw...
I'll take raw versus burnt out
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
Robertson is saying Cane and TJP have important mentoring roles to play off the field as well as contributing on it.
Does it take much to teach someone how to be a mouthy cun*?
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@frugby TJ played in every game in TRC and Hotham didn't play any, so it's pretty clear they prefer TJ for now.
There's definitely a case to pick Noah - or even Finlay Christie - for this tour, but I don't mind that they've picked TJ and left the other two with NZ A.
The halfbacks can all have another season of Super rugby to sort things out - and TJ will be out of the picture. In the meantime, I'm happy to go with what they think will win.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
didn’t watch super this year
It all makes sense now
I’m being honest I didn’t. But man some posters are dying on the hill of sotutu and it’s getting a bit boring tbh. If gets his chance he better being absolutely amazing.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:
There's no justification for leaving Akira and Sotutu out, and it really surprises me that people are bending over backwards trying to justify it given 1) it weakens the ABs and 2) our biggest weakness is in the loosies, costing us games this year.
There’s every justification for leaving akira out. Never really performed at AB level, heading overseas. We’ve already seen more from Sititi then we ever saw from akira.
Sotutu didn’t watch super this year so no comment on form but he also never made his mark at AB level albeit with fewer opportunities than Akira. Apparently not really lighting up NPC.
Plenty of players look good at super and dud at international so you can’t extrapolate and say he would be amazing if only he’d been given the chance. If he gets named in AB XV he better be freaking amazing.
Havili says hi.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
Robertson is saying Cane and TJP have important mentoring roles to play off the field as well as contributing on it.
TJP will tutor them in the talking to the ref class. Sam Cane will provide expertise in high and dangerous rackles.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@frugby TJ played in every game in TRC and Hotham didn't play any, so it's pretty clear they prefer TJ for now.
There's definitely a case to pick Noah - or even Finlay Christie - for this tour, but I don't mind that they've picked TJ and left the other two with NZ A.
The halfbacks can all have another season of Super rugby to sort things out - and TJ will be out of the picture. In the meantime, I'm happy to go with what they think will win.
I'd be happier if they went with what will win
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Roigard becomes Blackadder 3.0 and gets injured then you're stuck with TJP playing minutes
I think that's a big part of the reason, though.
If Roigard gets injured, they've got 87 test Perenara to call on - as opposed to Hotham, who so far has had 40 minutes off the bench vs Fiji.
Hotham is still incredibly raw...
It was always going to be between TJS and the person who supplanted him in ABs.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
Robertson is saying Cane and TJP have important mentoring roles to play off the field as well as contributing on it.
TJP will tutor them in the talking to the ref class. Sam Cane will provide expertise in high and dangerous rackles.
Nah, TJP is there to pass on how to lead the Haka
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Fuck's sake Razor, grow a pair.
Yep. Wasted opportunity to develop a squad for the future. Much as though Cane epitomised everything good about being an AB, he shouldn't be there and neither should Perenara.
