Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Three main events in 70 - 75.
First, at 73 Boks maul stopped and Finau come up side. Pretty sure he heard Brace say 'don't change your bind' but not 'out, out'.
Completely unnecessary, as Boks going backwards and RD effected turnover at 73.17. The following 5m lineout leads to try.
Darry make run and tackled at 76:14. Knee on ground but Etzebeth doesn't release. Pen ought to have gone our way.
Last two minutes BB and I think DMac both try kick passes when possession absolutely key. FFS.
That said, reffing from 65 - 68 cut our legs from under us.
This situation just shows the stupidity of the knee on the ground = tackle interpretation.
That was a maul if a player from either side was bound to Darry and on their feet.
I can’t remember if there was an AB bound to him but one thing’s for sure: Marx isn’t in a position to know. He’s doing what he should be doing: fighting for the pill.
But neither is Darry. He’s doing what he’s coached to do in these situations - desperately try to get a knee to ground while holding on to the pill.
It’s an absurdity.
There was a similar stupid situation in the 1st half up against the ABs right touchline where they held a bok up, a maul formed and the ref called tackle and the ABs had to release. That was nonsense.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MajorRage said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I’ve stayed out of the ref stuff until now but I think the confusing part for me is the different extremes they go to at times ,
In the wc final they go back a zillion phases to look at a slight knock on in the lead up to a try, and then here they don’t even look at a knock on in the act of scoring it.
Exactly this.
What is the point of a TMO?
Exactly. Canes head to Kolisis face should have been a clear red. Instead it’s play on.
Do South Africans use a protractor at school?
Kolisi has bent his upper body to nearly 90 degrees just before impact.
Almost impossible to adjust to that in 500ms as a defender.Some things in rugby are never going to be 100% clear. Not like Mbonambi's spilled ball.
'Was there a TMO!?' - Outrage as Siya Kolisi is injured by unpunished Sam Cane high tackle
Springboks captain Siya Kolisi is set to miss the second match against the All Blacks after sustaining a facial injury in the 31-27 victory at Ellis Park.
Double standard much? Really amusing how some are so one eyed. (and I'm not talking about siysa face) I do get it though, very similar to a lot of SA fans.
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That was worth a look
YC with off-field review
Mitigation
Stays YC -
Is it a "clear red" or an uptick yellow?
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
That was worth a look
YC with off-field review
Mitigation
Stays YCYeah... I'd tend to go along with that +50% of the time.
But for the other - 50% ... Cane has poor technique. His prior form speaks to that. Not sure he was ever in a good position for the tackle to be safe.(And I'm not picking on him. He actually seems like a genuinely decent bloke).
But a very poor on field call to let that go completely unpunished
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@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Toddy said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Any word if Cane has been cited?
What for?
Shoulder to Mandela's face
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it a "clear red" or an uptick yellow?
For me - Yellow with bunker review.
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I was replying to W32
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it a "clear red" or an uptick yellow?
I'm making the point that it wasn't even looked at. Sam Cane has a history of doing these types of upright tackles, needs coaching. Probably should have been red by the rules, but in the spirit of the game - yellow. But i'm not a TMO
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner you’re forgiven.
We’ve all been sore.
But Brace wasn’t the reason you lost that game. In fact, viewed fairly he kept you in the game for the first 60.
Reading comprehension obviously not taught in RSA schools - not one poster has said the ref cost us the match, clown.
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
Actually, I was trying to avoid a tit-for-tat on could've - would've...
If you want examples I'll give you two:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
Sam Cane breaking Kolisi's cheek with his head in the tackle - definite yellow, likely red card...So no - not a cliche. We can argue who got more bad calls till the cows come home, point being some shockers against the Boks too and the ref did not cost the AB's the game. Poor game management and running out of puff in the last 10... maybe look there?
Fark you Boks supporters are braindead aren’t you? You are comparing an obvious knock on in the act of scoring with marginal maul offences we see umpteen times a match - and especially by your own team. Seriously dude stop sniffing your own farts, breath in some fresh air and get some oxygen to your brain.
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@junior said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner you’re forgiven.
We’ve all been sore.
But Brace wasn’t the reason you lost that game. In fact, viewed fairly he kept you in the game for the first 60.
Reading comprehension obviously not taught in RSA schools - not one poster has said the ref cost us the match, clown.
In fairness Junior, in SA schools we are taught to read not only for comprehension but also for understanding subtext and innuendo.
Given the level of bleating about the referee and some cherry picked decisions (by some posters) it is not incomprehensible to draw the conclusion that a few are blaming the ref -
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Three main events in 70 - 75.
First, at 73 Boks maul stopped and Finau come up side. Pretty sure he heard Brace say 'don't change your bind' but not 'out, out'.
Completely unnecessary, as Boks going backwards and RD effected turnover at 73.17. The following 5m lineout leads to try.
Darry make run and tackled at 76:14. Knee on ground but Etzebeth doesn't release. Pen ought to have gone our way.
Last two minutes BB and I think DMac both try kick passes when possession absolutely key. FFS.
That said, reffing from 65 - 68 cut our legs from under us.
Nice but post actually your not allowed to say any of that on here otherwise some braindead idiot like @Dan54, @Billy-Webb or @Smuts will gallop on on his fucking high horse and point out that the refs didn’t cost the ABs the game (whilst implicitly reserving the right to blame the ref for single handedly gifting the ABs the win next week if those circumstances eventuate).
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@junior said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
Actually, I was trying to avoid a tit-for-tat on could've - would've...
If you want examples I'll give you two:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
Sam Cane breaking Kolisi's cheek with his head in the tackle - definite yellow, likely red card...So no - not a cliche. We can argue who got more bad calls till the cows come home, point being some shockers against the Boks too and the ref did not cost the AB's the game. Poor game management and running out of puff in the last 10... maybe look there?
Fark you Boks supporters are braindead are you? You are comparing an obvious knock on in the act of scoring with marginal maul offences we see umpteen times a match - and especially by your own team. Seriously dude stop sniffing your own farts, breath in some fresh air and get some oxygen to your brain.
Firstly - I never defended Mbonambi's try.
Secondly, an infringement is an infringement. You don't get to choose which one you want to let be okay based on your own bias. Thirdly, I note with interest that you pointedly ignore the Sam Cane incident.I try to be fair in my view (accepting my own bias will cloud what I see).
I also don't gloat in victory - knowing full well how it feels to be on the other side of a close one.You - JUNIOR - on the other hand, can do with a hard look in the mirror mate.
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it a "clear red" or an uptick yellow?
I'm making the point that it wasn't even looked at. Sam Cane has a history of doing these types of upright tackles, needs coaching. Probably should have been red by the rules, but in the spirit of the game - yellow. But i'm not a TMO
I think it should've been looked at and is a yellow.
I agree technique not the best. Pretty difficult tackling a dipping body
Half of twitter is full of SA fans saying it's a red. nah -
@pakman Many posters weren't worried about the poor finish in Argie 2, wasn't here to comment much in the England series. But it seems our play when the bench comes on has been weak for a while and it manifested predictably in Joburg on the weekend
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@junior said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
Actually, I was trying to avoid a tit-for-tat on could've - would've...
If you want examples I'll give you two:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
Sam Cane breaking Kolisi's cheek with his head in the tackle - definite yellow, likely red card...So no - not a cliche. We can argue who got more bad calls till the cows come home, point being some shockers against the Boks too and the ref did not cost the AB's the game. Poor game management and running out of puff in the last 10... maybe look there?
Fark you Boks supporters are braindead are you? You are comparing an obvious knock on in the act of scoring with marginal maul offences we see umpteen times a match - and especially by your own team. Seriously dude stop sniffing your own farts, breath in some fresh air and get some oxygen to your brain.
Firstly - I never defended Mbonambi's try.
Secondly, an infringement is an infringement. You don't get to choose which one you want to let be okay based on your own bias. Thirdly, I note with interest that you pointedly ignore the Sam Cane incident.I try to be fair in my view (accepting my own bias will cloud what I see).
I also don't gloat in victory - knowing full well how it feels to be on the other side of a close one.You - JUNIOR - on the other hand, can do with a hard look in the mirror mate.
Learn to lose with some grace, or go watch soccer.Actually in fairness to myself, I didn’t even know that Kolisi had head butted Cane’s shoulder until I saw post about it two pages ago.
As for being gracious, why don’t YOU accept that you got 5 undeserved points by a baffling and wrong call. I have not said anywhere that the ref cost us and not a single poster here has otherwise. To a man every poster has torn shreds off our guys for not taking the gilt edged chances they had to bury the match. And yet all you can do is carry on with refereeing whataboutisms in an attempt to gaslight us all into thinking we are all blaming the ref for the result. As I said previously, stop sniffing your own farts, go outside and get some oxygen to your brain.
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If TJ had blasphemed in Afrikaans would we have won?
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
This situation just shows the stupidity of the knee on the ground = tackle interpretation
Lose the argument, call for rule change to change reality.
