All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Fletcher Newell was on the radio saying Ratima was benching 170 kgs , all the forwards were impressed how strong he is
He did that in Chiefs pre-season. Maybe even heavier now.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus only in comps?!
I thought it was bad form and a health risk, but I'm old school so maybe out of touch...
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So what's the 23 for the first test against Argentina?
I reckon we'll see something like the below.
- De Groot
- C Taylor
- T Lomax
- P Tuipolotu
- T Vaai
- S Finau
- D Papali'i
- A Savea (c)
- T Perenara
- D McKenzie
- C Clarke
- J Barrett
- R Ioane
- S Reece
- W Jordan
- A Aumua
- T Williams
- F Newell
- S Darry
- E Blackadder
- C Ratima
- B Barrett
- A Leinert-Brown
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Same. It’s great as long as you get the initial setup right. Even better for incline IMO
Never understood the hate for it
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
Flip side of that of course is do we really want to injure ourselves at our age doing big benches with free weights ?
As long as it’s keeping the body moving it’s all good stuff.
Ratima benching that at his weight is damn impressive, up there with Will Genia and Digby Ioane but bench is only part of overall strength…..other lifts play a part too.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Same. It’s great as long as you get the initial setup right. Even better for incline IMO
Never understood the hate for it
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
Flip side of that of course is do we really want to injure ourselves at our age doing big benches with free weights ?
As long as it’s keeping the body moving it’s all good stuff.
Ratima benching that at his weight is damn impressive, up there with Will Genia and Digby Ioane but bench is only part of bridge strength…..other lifts play a part too.
I'm into moderate weights high reps, for strength and injury prevention. My mate still tries to lift big, and right now his rotator cuff is not correctly attached to his body...
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
What's the goal? Hypertrophy or doing the heaviest free weight movement? If it's hypertrophy then the view is decades out of date
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Same. It’s great as long as you get the initial setup right. Even better for incline IMO
Never understood the hate for it
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
Flip side of that of course is do we really want to injure ourselves at our age doing big benches with free weights ?
As long as it’s keeping the body moving it’s all good stuff.
Ratima benching that at his weight is damn impressive, up there with Will Genia and Digby Ioane but bench is only part of overall strength…..other lifts play a part too.
Digny’s bench wasn’t much help when Jérôme collared him.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
What's the goal? Hypertrophy or doing the heaviest free weight movement? If it's hypertrophy then the view is decades out of date
Not really. Benching x weight with free weights is tougher than x weights on a smith machine. I do get the ABs doing the former.
But…..there’s still room for more functional strength, calisthenics etc.
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@Canes4life Wings probably biggest area of judgement.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
What's the goal? Hypertrophy or doing the heaviest free weight movement? If it's hypertrophy then the view is decades out of date
Not really. Benching x weight with free weights is tougher than x weights on a smith machine. I do get the ABs doing the former.
But…..there’s still room for more functional strength, calisthenics etc.
Goalposts moving all over the place. All I said was I don’t get the hate for the Smith when another TSFer said they use it. You said you do get the hate for it. It’s an excellent tool if you know what you are doing
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Same. It’s great as long as you get the initial setup right. Even better for incline IMO
Never understood the hate for it
Free weights are much more functional so I do get the ‘bro hate’ on people having a go at guys doing machine weights.
Flip side of that of course is do we really want to injure ourselves at our age doing big benches with free weights ?
As long as it’s keeping the body moving it’s all good stuff.
Ratima benching that at his weight is damn impressive, up there with Will Genia and Digby Ioane but bench is only part of overall strength…..other lifts play a part too.
Digny’s bench wasn’t much help when Jérôme collared him.
Definitely not which is exactly the point I was making
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Anyway back to the rugby. Jordan from the bench in the first one.. give him at least 20mins.
Maybe he starts the second test
Yeah Beauds to start. ALB/Jordan bench. I won't be surprised to see Havili instead of ALB though.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Anyway back to the rugby. Jordan from the bench in the first one.. give him at least 20mins.
Maybe he starts the second test
Yeah Beauds to start. ALB/Jordan bench. I won't be surprised to see Havili instead of ALB though.
He covers 10 after all
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Here is the apparent backline for this weekend barring any set backs that I’ve just been sent. I do have doubts because the decisions are a little odd but I can only take his word for it. Hasn’t led me astray so far so thought I’d share with the fern.
- TJ
- Dmac
- Mark Telea
- Jordie Barrett
- ALB
- Sevu Reece
- Beauden Barrett
Bench
21. Ratima
22. Rieko Ioane
23. Will Jordan -
I think the conversation moved on from my post but in case it didn't, I understood arching was frowned on but looks like times have changed. Still, bouncing off the chest is still considered risky and dangerous.
Weight-Training Injuries: Bench Press
Oh well, as long as he isn't injured for the tests...
