RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@canefan Actually you are right. Avoidance. Had a big impact on the game. No one in the pub noticed.
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Billy-Tell Agree. But whether it’s lack of bums on seats or greedy management discounting imagined future profits by paying excessively for players today, it adds up to the same commercial problem - diminishing margins and a cadre of club owners squeezing the lemon too hard for short-term profit. I still think the game is buggered. I predict the new global competition will be a failure, simply because WR is doing what it always does - fattening the calf at the centre and starving everybody else to keep its cadre of pigs at the trough in business and first class airfares. I stand by what I said. Rugby Union is ripe for a disruptor to simplify the rules, reward endeavour and creativity and market the game more broadly. As it stands, they’re playing at being a mass market sport with a mass market budget in a narrowcast universe.
If rugby was more popular in Australia, which it will never be, then a SH breakaway including Japan, Argentina, the Pacific etc would be possible. But NZ can’t go it alone. I thought Portugal showed how rugby should be played tbh. They were my highlight from this RWC, aside the surprise of NZ actually being ok.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks are pretty mediocre team. Certainly not in top two in world, maybe not in top three.
Result is like a sporting quiz oddity.
I’d like Foz to come out and say that he thought we were a notch ahead of them tonight, but sport is an odd thing and sometime the lesser team ends up with its name on the trophy.
Fucking well played ABs. Bloody proud of you.
I’m not sure how you can say this about a team that has won three incredibly tight games in a row
I was here and their shortcoming were very apparent. If the French game had been reffed properly they would have lost it, and they were hugely assisted tonight by official rulings and still only finished a point ahead.
So, for me, just a sporting aberration.
That’s what makes the game so beguiling.
…..and if the ABs had kicked better, Cane had tackled better and whatever else they might have won it.
This post comes across ever so slightly like sour grapes you’d expect on FB
Fair call. I’m not disputing the result, and nor that Boks are tremendous team.
But the fact is that arbitrary TMO interventions were the difference between an impotent win and a serious loss for them.
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academic question but if SF moves out of his way to avoid a forearm and collapses on a bok (not seeing him) is he still liable for a yellow card? As
a. not targeting limbs (eyes elsewhere) and
b. mitigating circumstancesalthough Barnes did not seem to consider a. anyway.
Oh well, just an academic question. Personally I thought SF might not have entered the gate/moving offside and the clearing was a bit risky position-wise anyway.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan Actually you are right. Avoidance. Had a big impact on the game. No one in the pub noticed.
Did the TMO see it at the time? No one will ever know.He was too busy trying to see foul play when there probably was none. Contrast the injury to Tupaea, that Aussie grub looked for his leg then pounced
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks are pretty mediocre team. Certainly not in top two in world, maybe not in top three.
Result is like a sporting quiz oddity.
I’d like Foz to come out and say that he thought we were a notch ahead of them tonight, but sport is an odd thing and sometime the lesser team ends up with its name on the trophy.
Fucking well played ABs. Bloody proud of you.
I’m not sure how you can say this about a team that has won three incredibly tight games in a row
I was here and their shortcoming were very apparent. If the French game had been reffed properly they would have lost it, and they were hugely assisted tonight by official rulings and still only finished a point ahead.
So, for me, just a sporting aberration.
That’s what makes the game so beguiling.
…..and if the ABs had kicked better, Cane had tackled better and whatever else they might have won it.
This post comes across ever so slightly like sour grapes you’d expect on FB
Fair call. I’m not disputing the result, and nor that Boks are tremendous team.
But the fact is that arbitrary TMO interventions were the difference between an impotent win and a serious loss for them.
That’s tournament rugby nowadays, and I’m not a fan.
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks are pretty mediocre team. Certainly not in top two in world, maybe not in top three.
Result is like a sporting quiz oddity.
I’d like Foz to come out and say that he thought we were a notch ahead of them tonight, but sport is an odd thing and sometime the lesser team ends up with its name on the trophy.
Fucking well played ABs. Bloody proud of you.
I’m not sure how you can say this about a team that has won three incredibly tight games in a row
I was here and their shortcoming were very apparent. If the French game had been reffed properly they would have lost it, and they were hugely assisted tonight by official rulings and still only finished a point ahead.
So, for me, just a sporting aberration.
That’s what makes the game so beguiling.
…..and if the ABs had kicked better, Cane had tackled better and whatever else they might have won it.
This post comes across ever so slightly like sour grapes you’d expect on FB
Fair call. I’m not disputing the result, and nor that Boks are tremendous team.
But the fact is that arbitrary TMO interventions were the difference between an impotent win and a serious loss for them.
That’s tournament rugby nowadays, and I’m not a fan.
Maybe there needs to be a world test championship, as in cricket
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@Billy-Tell Yes, Portugal showed the way. They were playing like the ABs. Look at this way. Which country do the minnows and kids in backyards aspire to be? Where do the dreams reside? The way the Erasmus-coached Boks play or the way the ABs play? Which side inspires the advertisers?
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Billy-Tell Yes, Portugal showed the way. They were playing like the ABs. Look at this way. Which country do the minnows and kids in backyards aspire to be? Where do the dreams reside? The way the Erasmus-coached Boks play or the way the ABs play? Which side inspires the advertisers?
I'm sure there will be some nations who will aim to replicate SA. It's basic, but it's winning rugby, and the rules are designed to help right now
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mofitzy_ said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Billy-Tell
Have you? Serious question.
Because I doubt the viewing figures were fantastic past the QFs. Also doubt any neutral non-rugby fan will be excited about another game like that.I don’t. But then I’m not trying to argue that rugby is losing fans in droves. It’s not really a sport that attracts the casual viewer at the best of times as the laws are quite arcane. And those who follow rugby will continue to do so. As noted, the NH doesn’t mind these 10-man rugby style games and they never take kindly to Australia and NZ trying to make it more of a spectacle.
Rugby is ripe for a Kerry Packer style disruption
Ironically the last one occurred just after another heartbreaking loss for us in 1995. I really hope we see changes, but it's infuriating that this shit has been going on for a few years now it takes a RWC debacle for anything to happen.
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This WC had tremendous fan support.
The biggest shiteness to this world cup was the draw. No argument can counter that. -
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
This WC had tremendous fan support.
The biggest shiteness to this world cup was the draw. No argument can counter that.If we ignore results and just go for entertaining, competitive games then I don't buy the argument that the draw was shite.
It was shite for a couple of teams but it resulted in genuinely enjoyable rugby throughout the tournament rather than insipid pool games, a handful of blowout quarters and then a week of decent rugby for the semis and finals. Instead we got maybe a dozen very competitive pool games, 4 brilliant quarter finals, 1 competitive semi and a blow out and two very competitive games for the finals weekend.
I'm in two minds over the length of the tournament - I think it worked well for both players and casual fans to have weekend games. I accept that those following start to finish ended up having a lot of time to fill between games but I'm not sure that is World Rugby's problem.
We talk about wanting Rugby to expand but don't like it when it delivers a tournament that genuinely involves more countries.
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The counter argument to that is a tournament should build to a crescendo. It didn't.
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So had a Sunday session with some mates (half Kiwis half not giving a shit about rugby Aussies and foreigners) and was a good way to wind down.
Except, I made the silly mistake of watching the game again once I got home. Now I'm just angry. I've gone from it was a good game, we didn't get the rub of the green, but probably didn't impact the game too much ... to ... if I see an Englishman in the street I want to punch the fucker, that all English ref team fucked us even in the last seconds of the game.
Hopefully when I sober up again tomorrow I'll be chill again.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
TMO missed this.
That is why I have a problem with where rugby has gotten to.
Barnes didn’t see Cane red card, but TMO did. But if TMO didn’t call that but brought things back for Etzebeth red ABs win.
Reductio ad absurdem, why not dispense with the game and just have a coin toss?
A clip of it. How the TMO can ignore this is beyond me.
For me that’s worthy of a referral and I’d have expected Barnes to rule yellow/bunker.
Had there been no TMO Blacks would have won that.
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Left field viewpoint, but had BOK not shat the bed we’d have had France AB final. Having been at game THAT would have been the most extraordinary event, with shades of the 95 final, which remains my reference point.
We might well have lost it, but I’m sure I’d be feeling a lot better about the name on the trophy.
P.S. The enormous fanfare at the end was ludicrous given the ‘champions’ were the result of multiple 50:50 officiating calls and misses. -
@canefan you will never get ref bashing from me, specially if my team lose. Its the easy excuse. Sound like sour grapes and make you depressed. Refs make mistakes, they are human.
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@pakman Springboks vs France was the real final. Both teams had a full blown effort in that first half.
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan you will never get ref bashing from me, specially if my team lose. Its the easy excuse. Sound like sour grapes and make you depressed. Refs make mistakes, they are human.
Maybe not you, and it wasn't aimed at you. But the SA fan base in general know how to whinge about refs, and it starts at the top
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Rassie Erasmus suspended by World Rugby again over social media rants
South Africa’s director of rugby has been handed a two-match ban after posts appearing to criticise referee Wayne Barnes
Just one example
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones yeah I thought Kolisi was the worse, looked more like he was more upright and driving up, whereas Cane was always too high.
But we knew this RWC would have a contentious RC, and oddly, I have been surprised ow few there have been, up until the big dance...
And I'm not disputing the SC red card. Heck, I would settle for a penalty for both only at the most. I'm not even blaming Barnes. We had our chances. But fuck me the TMO needs to fuck off. If SF is copping a YC for that, you have to penalise every tackle on rugby and we are one step away from playing 15 aside touch.
If he hadn't gone for the illegal neck roll he wouldn't have been in a position to fall on Bongi
