NZR review
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@Duluth said in NZR review:
@gt12 said in NZR review:
Cully said the quiet part out aloud:
We can't really have both a (professional) PU and Super rugby competition in such a small country. It's been coming since 1996.
Jamie Wall outlined the crux of the issue too, here:
The Pilkington Report's finding essentially recommended a loosening of provincial union (PU) grip on NZR governance. Proposal One, which is backed by the RPA, recommends that happening. Unsurprisingly, the PUs are not too keen on that and their Proposal Two comes down to them retaining their three automatic seats on the NZR board. So, it is pretty easy to see Proposal One as being for change and Proposal Two as being for maintaining the status quo.
It's predictable what will happen. The interesting part will be NZRPA's next step
But has Jamie got things right? Do they want to retain their 3 seats? Or just have three members with PU experience?
Is this just more lies that the WRU Chair mentioned
What's this really about?
The Pilkington Report's finding essentially recommended a loosening of provincial union (PU) grip on NZR governance. Proposal One, which is backed by the RPA, recommends that happening. Unsurprisingly, the PUs are not too keen on that and their Proposal Two comes down to them retaining their three automatic seats on the NZR board. So, it is pretty easy to see Proposal One as being for change and Proposal Two as being for maintaining the status quo.And this from Pilkington. He must know the proposal 2 unions have disputed this. So why say it?
David Pilkington, author of the original report, made his prediction: "The votes are apportioned across the provincial unions based on how many affiliated teams they have, and therefore the bigger unions have a bigger say in the final outcome - and it is those bigger unions that have signalled that they don't want change, they want to preserve the status quo."
If this statement is not right it really badly undermines Pilkington. And the proposal 2 unions dispute this
I have little faith in the NZR Board to get to the bottom of these issues before the vote though
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Proposal 1 has been rejected - https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350293746/live-new-zealand-rugby-special-general-meeting
As Mils put it on the Breakdown, NZ Rugby will be dead in four years because of this.
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From the Canterbury Chair It's not something we have dreamed up for our own interests,'' says Winchester. He says dairy giant Fonterra wouldn't have someone on their board who doesn't know about how to run a farm. what a terrible analogy. Boards are packed full of people who offer specific skills. Most people on the Fonterra board would have no idea how to operationally run a farm.
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@gt12 said in NZR review:
The Pilkington report laid out that it sees the political games of the PUs fltering into the boardroom where other key stakeholders don't get representation (e.g., Super franchises, players), and basically says that the PUs are misusing funds (redirecting may the term) to focus on high performance rather than community rugby (like, only 21% of their spend vs 59% on high performance).
i think its a bit harsh to say that spending on high performance is misusing funds, until NZR has the balls to come out and say the NPC is no longer a important competition then i think trying to do well in it (short of overspending which some have)....doing well raises interest, attracts more sponsors and new players, more money in the door etc
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@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@gt12 said in NZR review:
The Pilkington report laid out that it sees the political games of the PUs fltering into the boardroom where other key stakeholders don't get representation (e.g., Super franchises, players), and basically says that the PUs are misusing funds (redirecting may the term) to focus on high performance rather than community rugby (like, only 21% of their spend vs 59% on high performance).
i think its a bit harsh to say that spending on high performance is misusing funds, until NZR has the balls to come out and say the NPC is no longer a important competition then i think trying to do well in it (short of overspending which some have)....doing well raises interest, attracts more sponsors and new players, more money in the door etc
NZRugby can't come out and say the NPC isn't an important competition unless it is directed to by the board... whose members will continue to have a strong interest in it being an important competition.
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@SouthernMann we will just continue to bleed money unless something is done. The NPC is borderline professional these days with most provinces propped up by club players. Something needed to change today but unfortunately it hasn't. I feel our game will be in real trouble in 2-3 years time.
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@Canes4life said in NZR review:
The NPC is borderline professional these days with most provinces propped up by club players.
is it though?
Many of the players without a super gig earn buggar all for the NPC and then go back to whatever else they do, at best, it is semi-professional.
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That is resounding.
Unless someone has more info, I don't see a lot of difference in them. Insisting on 3 board members with PU experience is very different to representing a particular PU on the board.
I hate how the NPC has been undermined over the years by NZR. They have treated it shamefully and it's no surprise that it is a shadow of its former self.
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@Canes4life said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann we will just continue to bleed money unless something is done. The NPC is borderline professional these days with most provinces propped up by club players. Something needed to change today but unfortunately it hasn't. I feel our game will be in real trouble in 2-3 years time.
isn't club players getting to rep their union....kind of the whole point?
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@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@Canes4life said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann we will just continue to bleed money unless something is done. The NPC is borderline professional these days with most provinces propped up by club players. Something needed to change today but unfortunately it hasn't. I feel our game will be in real trouble in 2-3 years time.
isn't club players getting to rep their union....kind of the whole point?
Yes. But investing in a long-term high performance programme? Or should it just be letting the club season run and picking the best 30 players?
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@SouthernMann as i say, i can see the attraction too trying to win (other than some glory), winning begets winning often and that attracts money which you can easily convince yourself is good for the game in the region
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@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
long-term high performance programme
isnt this in the interest of NZ Rugby as a whole, especially as the NPC loses it's significance?
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@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann as i say, i can see the attraction too trying to win (other than some glory), winning begets winning often and that attracts money which you can easily convince yourself is good for the game in the region
It depends. Wellington for example, very sucessful on the field, absolutely bleeds money off it. It has a high spend with high performance
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@taniwharugby said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
long-term high performance programme
isnt this in the interest of NZ Rugby as a whole, especially as the NPC loses it's significance?
i think the argument is an expensive high performance program for an increasingly insignificant competition (which kills me to say) is viewed as poor use of funds
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@taniwharugby said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
long-term high performance programme
isnt this in the interest of NZ Rugby as a whole, especially as the NPC loses it's significance?
But 20 high performance units is way too many.
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@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@gt12 said in NZR review:
The Pilkington report laid out that it sees the political games of the PUs fltering into the boardroom where other key stakeholders don't get representation (e.g., Super franchises, players), and basically says that the PUs are misusing funds (redirecting may the term) to focus on high performance rather than community rugby (like, only 21% of their spend vs 59% on high performance).
i think its a bit harsh to say that spending on high performance is misusing funds, until NZR has the balls to come out and say the NPC is no longer a important competition then i think trying to do well in it (short of overspending which some have)....doing well raises interest, attracts more sponsors and new players, more money in the door etc
I can't be bothered going back to the report, but it explained situations where money earmarked for local club rugby was redirected for high performance NPC.
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@Canes4life said in NZR review:
As Mils put it on the Breakdown, NZ Rugby will be dead in four years because of this.
This really is a very silly comment by Mils
