All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Excited to see Moodie at 13.
Just noticed that Marx is starting. I thought he had developed into a second half specialist?
He's the Samisoni Taukei'aho of the Bokke ... is he better starting or finishing ...
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@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Best way to blunt our pack is to shift it around by giving the ball heaps of air. Especially if your kick chase is good and we’re as bad under the ball as we were in Albany.
In other words, same blueprint as the first 20 in Albany.
Pendatic alert. Mt Smart was the venue of the earlier game this year. Albany was 2017.
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Foster said Codie Taylor has a minor hamstring niggle.
In reference to Roigard, he also said his inclusion is simply to give him more game time and that he thought Christie did well in Dunedin. But then said the Bok game is "another chance for us to look at another option."
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I think Samisoni should be starting
I get what you're saying, but at what stage are you dragging him? And putting the inferior player on?
Around the time they (apart from this week) inflict Malcolm Marx on us?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Best way to blunt our pack is to shift it around by giving the ball heaps of air. Especially if your kick chase is good and we’re as bad under the ball as we were in Albany.
In other words, same blueprint as the first 20 in Albany.
Pendatic alert. Mt Smart was the venue of the earlier game this year. Albany was 2017.
Not pedantic at all. I mt bloody stupidly assumed mt smart was just the name of the stadium in Albany.
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@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Best way to blunt our pack is to shift it around by giving the ball heaps of air. Especially if your kick chase is good and we’re as bad under the ball as we were in Albany.
In other words, same blueprint as the first 20 in Albany.
Pendatic alert. Mt Smart was the venue of the earlier game this year. Albany was 2017.
Not pedantic at all. I mt bloody stupidly assumed mt smart was just the name of the stadium in Albany.
And just to confuse you further, Mt Smart is now known officially as Go Media Stadium
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Athletic Park to Cake tin was a bit of a jump
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@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@canefan it also doesn’t look like it’s near a mountain?
It's named after the volcanic cone of the same name. Most of the volcanic cones in the Auckland volcanic field are named Mt
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Smuts The volcanic cone (a hill rather than a mountain) was quarried away.
A bit like [Three] Kings in Auckland!
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Best way to blunt our pack is to shift it around by giving the ball heaps of air. Especially if your kick chase is good and we’re as bad under the ball as we were in Albany.
In other words, same blueprint as the first 20 in Albany.
Pendatic alert. Mt Smart was the venue of the earlier game this year. Albany was 2017.
SA may wish revenge for that, too!
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Can’t want revenge for a deserved spanking
Edit: as my housemaster wisely told me (often): say thank you sir and learn your lesson
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Touché
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Sam Cane did a press conference earlier today with goal kicking training going on in the background.
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@booboo when the stats say he's knackered to the extent that his performance is worse than the bloke replacing him - which is reasonably similar across most teams, so yeah. Marx is a pain at the breakdown, and particularly Taylor but also Coles are both quick and competent in that area, so I would see them as a decent counter to Marx. That sort of tactical 'match our starter/bench to counter the opposition' is pretty clearly not Foster's thinking though is it? He's doing it against Australia, and I don't think their reserve hooker warrants a tactical selection to counter him.
The worry is that when we get beaten, it is usually because a rush defence gets on top of us and we can't create go-forward. Samisoni and Frizzell are the two guys who can do something about that in the current pack, so starting neither of them seems to lack balance. At least we now have Jordie Barrett at 12, whereas previously our going-backwards forwards would pass their shit static ball to the lightweight Smith, Mo'unga and Havili - who would go further backwards. -
@reprobate there’s also the mix and balance of the two front rows we select. If for example they persist with Laulala as the bench option then I think we need an active ball carrying front rower (like Sami T) with him.
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In the space of two or three test matches comments have gone from wondering what the hell SF is doing in the ABs to lamenting his absence. Not necessarily the same posters, but I do find it amusing.
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@Crazy-Horse i was one wondering what he was doing in the AB's but can't argue with his change in form this season for the AB's...play well and people will want you to get picked...not rocket surgery
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@Kiwiwomble agree he seems to have played better recently and why nit puck hin, but I do wonder whether it's an aberration. I guess I am sceptical because even in the games he played well he did have longish patches where he 'reverted to type'.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
In the space of two or three test matches comments have gone from wondering what the hell SF is doing in the ABs to lamenting his absence. Not necessarily the same posters, but I do find it amusing.
I think it's hilarious, and arguably it's based on 20 minutes of one of those test matches (and yep, as you said even in that game he reverted to type).
He'll be a dud at the RWC. SB at 6 in the semi in 2019 was a huge mistake, but I think we'll need him there for the crunch games this year.
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@Crazy-Horse and it could be....but i think you cant second guess form because sometimes a player is just riding a wave of confidence, i think you play him until his form drops again
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Sam Cane did a press conference earlier today with goal kicking training going on in the background.
Good to see the All Blacks channel continues to keep us updated.
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ACT Crusaderreplied to Crazy Horse on 25 Aug 2023, 01:55 last edited by ACT Crusader 25 Aug 2023, 03:28
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Kiwiwomble agree he seems to have played better recently and why nit puck hin, but I do wonder whether it's an aberration. I guess I am sceptical because even in the games he played well he did have longish patches where he 'reverted to type'.
I tend to disagree because he was pretty active during those patches when he wasn’t doing the big run or scoring or finding his hard shoulder.
His activity level is up at ruck time and for me that is the most promising thing - not the really noticeable stuff
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Having a freindly match before WC against the class of SA could have some fun repercussions
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Having a freindly match before WC against the class of SA could have some fun repercussions
Aren’t they all friendlies? World Cup matches is all that matters. Well that’s what every one said between 1991 and 2011….
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Having a freindly match before WC against the class of SA could have some fun repercussions
Aren’t they all friendlies? World Cup matches is all that matters. Well that’s what every one said between 1991 and 2011….
They're not playing soccer so no friendlies, it's a test match
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Kiwiwomble agree he seems to have played better recently and why nit puck hin, but I do wonder whether it's an aberration. I guess I am sceptical because even in the games he played well he did have longish patches where he 'reverted to type'.
I tend to disagree because he was pretty active during those patches when he wasn’t doing the big run or scoring or finding his hard shoulder.
His activity level is up at ruck time and for me that is the most promising thing - not the really noticeable stuff
I wasn't talking about the glory runs. What frustrates me the most about SF, and what I reckon he reverted to in patches, was while he may have been busy, he stopped winning the contact. For such a sizable fella it has always been an annoyance for me. It's like he has limited fight in him.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Having a freindly match before WC against the class of SA could have some fun repercussions
Aren’t they all friendlies? World Cup matches is all that matters. Well that’s what every one said between 1991 and 2011….
They're not playing soccer so no friendlies, it's a test match
Try telling that jaguares ex ferner that
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Will this be a statement for the ABs if they win? Will it affect them more than SA if they lose? Dumb question but I'm thinking of the pysche for the ABs will be impacted more. If SA lose they won't give a phuck and carry on and do some damage but I can't help but feel it might hurt the ABs more if they lose.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Having a freindly match before WC against the class of SA could have some fun repercussions
Aren’t they all friendlies? World Cup matches is all that matters. Well that’s what every one said between 1991 and 2011….
They're not playing soccer so no friendlies, it's a test match
Try telling that jaguares ex ferner that
That's why he's ex, obviously just a soccer supporter being curious
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Will this be a statement for the ABs if they win? Will it affect them more than SA if they lose? Dumb question but I'm thinking of the pysche for the ABs will be impacted more. If SA lose they won't give a phuck and carry on and do some damage but I can't help but feel it might hurt the ABs more if they lose.
I hope we win and I’m sure the players do as well, but I don’t think it means as much to the RWC campaign because that tournament format is so different to a one off test like this.
I think back to 2011 and our final test before the RWC we lost to a pretty mediocre Aussie side. We had already secured the Bledisloe so it wasn’t as significant as the previous match up.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Having a freindly match before WC against the class of SA could have some fun repercussions
Aren’t they all friendlies? World Cup matches is all that matters. Well that’s what every one said between 1991 and 2011….
They’re not playing for anything but a friendly though? Usually tri nations etc??
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Still think Foster is p1ssing with us over injuries to Frizz and Taylor. Why say Frizz could line up against SA, when initially we were led to believe he wouldn't recover in time for the France game? Or is Foster just doing the dance that everyone else is doing pre tournament? And as earlier suggested Coles is there for the niggle and to take the edge off?
Anyhoo hope Roigard some gets decent game time, and pleased for LJ, he is mobile and I suspect hungry to see some action. -
Victor Meldrewreplied to reprobate on 25 Aug 2023, 06:58 last edited by Victor Meldrew 25 Aug 2023, 06:59
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@booboo when the stats say he's knackered to the extent that his performance is worse than the bloke replacing him - which is reasonably similar across most teams, so yeah. Marx is a pain at the breakdown, and particularly Taylor but also Coles are both quick and competent in that area, so I would see them as a decent counter to Marx. That sort of tactical 'match our starter/bench to counter the opposition' is pretty clearly not Foster's thinking though is it? He's doing it against Australia, and I don't think their reserve hooker warrants a tactical selection to counter him.
Perhaps it isn't all that complex.
Maybe Ryan and Foster have developed their A team to play the 80 minutes, which includes the bench, and have simply swapped their best option at 2 with what they see as their next best option at 2.
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@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Why say Frizz could line up against SA, when initially we were led to believe he wouldn't recover in time for the France game? Or is Foster just doing the dance that everyone else is doing pre tournament?
Who said Frizell could line up against SA?
In the press conference posted above Foz said Frizell and Retallick were recovering ahead of schedule but said it was still not likely they would be ready for France.
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@KiwiMurph I bow to your superior knowledge sir. Maybe Foster alluded to it in the presser.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Will this be a statement for the ABs if they win? Will it affect them more than SA if they lose? Dumb question but I'm thinking of the pysche for the ABs will be impacted more. If SA lose they won't give a phuck and carry on and do some damage but I can't help but feel it might hurt the ABs more if they lose.
I hope we win and I’m sure the players do as well, but I don’t think it means as much to the RWC campaign because that tournament format is so different to a one off test like this.
I think back to 2011 and our final test before the RWC we lost to a pretty mediocre Aussie side. We had already secured the Bledisloe so it wasn’t as significant as the previous match up.
And 2015...
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Looking forward to this one even if it is disposable. Take the first half bit more seriously before everybody start chopping and changing for the second 40. Pretty strong looking teams named to start but think you may miss Brodie…
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