Ashes 2023
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Woakes had set him up nicely with a short one and then a short of a length and then a perfect full one.
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@Donsteppa said in Ashes 2023:
@MajorPom said in Ashes 2023:
Glenn McGrath talking sense. Well, until he talks about the catch.
It's a very good read outside of the catch. One part that struck a chord:
If they had been given the opportunities this England team have had, at Edgbaston and then at Lord's, let me tell you, they would not be 2-0 down.
The Bairstow dismissal, the Yorkshireman walking out of his crease like he owned the game, was the culmination of everything we have seen from this current team.
I have read a lot about the 'spirit of cricket' this week. Well, you have to respect Test cricket with your attitude as well. You cannot just go wandering out of your crease.
It took something like the Bairstow incident for England to realise they are in the battle - and that is disappointing.
Especially the part in bold. I've read in a surprising number of places this week that it shouldn't have been out because 'Bairstow wasn't trying to take advantage', or 'but Bairstow tapped his foot back in the crease to show the ball was dead/the over was over'
Many dismissals happen in cricket without the batter necessarily trying to take advantage. Lots of stumpings happen because we're a clumsy oaf and overbalance, not only from charging down the pitch trying to smash the ball for 12, or from trying to sneak a run...
On the second part - other than in backyard cricket by calling the local variation of "wickets" - in no part of the laws of the competitive game does a batter unilaterally decide when the ball is dead. What happened to playing to the Umpire or referee - that we teach kids in all sports on a regular basis
Have you really read in many places that it shouldn’t have been out? Most of the stuff I’ve read has said that it should certainly be out (I agree), with varying positions on whether it was shitty or not?
On the “take advantage “ point, that’s a lazy example from you sir! Being clumsy and overbalancing is very very different to this situation - getting out stumped or LBW or any other way because you’re clumsy (also called “being a bit shit”) is pretty damn normal in cricket, and is usually significantly contributed to by the bowlers skill. In this instance however, we have an average delivery, well left by the batsman, and a clean take by the keeper, who normally tosses the ball nonchalantly to 2nd slip. This time however he sees the batsman not waiting the extra second, and takes advantage.
Again, clearly out and clearly in the rules as ok.
But to me, also clearly, a pretty shitty piece of cricket.
As an aside, I can’t see how anyone who thinks this is good for the game, could ever argue that a Mankad isn’t an appropriate dismissal.
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Marsh making the English pay for their dropped catches. Yes, it’s Mitch Marsh.
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Australia starting to motor
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@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
I think any faint hope Eng had of getting back into the series ended in this session
Totally agree. Heads are down, bowling pies now.
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needed that big time
get the pork pies in you lads
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Marsh out. Fuck me, that was some innings.
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@MajorPom said in Ashes 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Ashes 2023:
I think any faint hope Eng had of getting back into the series ended in this session
Totally agree. Heads are down, bowling pies now.
Not so sure. Tests so far seem to swing from looking dead in the water to being evenly-poised every couple of sessions or so.
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Take your catches you idiots
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Root better score a double ton
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Yay a catch
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Mitch Marsh and a bunch of scrubs v England
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And Bairstow thinks about picking up a ball which falls near his stumps.
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@voodoo And @MajorPom. To clarify my first post - stating "it shouldn't have been out" by invoking spirit of cricket or similar.
@voodoo said in Ashes 2023:
On the “take advantage “ point, that’s a lazy example from you sir! Being clumsy and overbalancing is very very different to this situation - getting out stumped or LBW or any other way because you’re clumsy (also called “being a bit shit”) is pretty damn normal in cricket, and is usually significantly contributed to by the bowlers skill. In this instance however, we have an average delivery, well left by the batsman, and a clean take by the keeper, who normally tosses the ball nonchalantly to 2nd slip. This time however he sees the batsman not waiting the extra second, and takes advantage.
It was my response to invocations of The Spirit of Cricket claiming Bairstow wasn't trying to take advantage, therefore spirit of cricket.
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Was a good battle between Wood and Labuschagne last night. I wondered how the tail might survive against that pace, and was unsurprised to wake up to find five out became all out very quickly
Random stat: just read Mitch Marsh has as many Ashes centuries as Ian Botham!
As for Bairstow, he probably fits the attacking batsman model more under McCullum, but...
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@NTA said in Ashes 2023:
Two from Jonny and two from Joe. Catches win matches.
Can't predict what would have happened beyond Mitch Marsh flogging them to all corners for another 106 runs, but it basically saved our bacon when he decided he had a life and would stop giving fucks.
That innings was basically “Fuck you NTA”. He’s a big fan of the fern and has read what you’ve been saying and wanted to show you he’s actually test standard. Just wait til he bowls, five for coming right up !
