Justin Marshall gone
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Almost all of the ex-players are terrible, SBW being the peak of that. It's not surprising: most of them were great players based on physical attributes, not their analysis or speaking skills. Someone like Mehrtens is an exception, and Nonu's cameos were a breath of fresh air - but in general I reckon even mid-level coaches would be a better bet than ex-players.
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@mariner4life said in Justin Marshall gone:
Who is going to tell the ref he's wrong and talk over the explanation?
Good riddance champ
This sums up neatly why I can't stand his commentary. Often I want to hear the ref's explanation so I can know what he's seen and why he made that decision. Marshall constantly fucking ruins that desired experience. He doesn't possess the intellect or self awareness to STFU.
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@Canes4life said in Justin Marshall gone:
I actually really like Bryn Hall and James Parsons as presenters (not commentators).
Parsons would be good in the commentary box if he behaved the same way he does on the podcast. For some reason he's decided to be the second coming of Chris Handy when he commentates
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@Tim said in Justin Marshall gone:
“[Marshall] has not taken the decision at all well,” says one source close to Sky.
Well that's really surprising. Hope any video of the bogan toddler dummy spit sees the light of day.
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Nisbett is by far our best at calling the game. He's always had a habit of misidentifying players though, and that's only gotten worse with age, but he's still light-years ahead of TJ.
He really needs a strong co-commentator though. He gets made to look worse when he agrees with some verifiably incorrect thing Marshall has said. The co-commentator has to be level headed and a good analyst of the game that provides insights into what just happened. I guess NZ doesn't have a big enough market for there to be many people that would choose that as a career path, so we fall back on ex-players who are honestly a lot worse than the average Fern poster.
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@Duluth said in Justin Marshall gone:
Parsons would be good in the commentary box if he behaved the same way he does on the podcast.
Parsons hints at being suited for an analyst role, but I can't help but thinking that he gets given stats and does a lot of preparation before the show. What we need is someone who can give some analysis in the moment.
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Does Parsons still wear his headgear when he commentates?
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@Kirwan said in Justin Marshall gone:
I wish they would get ex-coaches instead of ex-players.
Agree that McTanish is the best commentator going around, they just need to bite the bullet and make the change.
Ex-players, who are also (ex-)referees, might be the exception. Or just good (ex-)referees. They had Glen Jackson on the Breakdown a few years ago and he was really good. He's coaching now, so not sure he's available. I wonder whether Mike Fraser, who recently retired as a ref and is now a high performance referee coach, would be good as a (guest) commentator. There must be a few others.
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@No-Quarter said in Justin Marshall gone:
Nisbett is by far our best at calling the game. He's always had a habit of misidentifying players though, and that's only gotten worse with age, but he's still light-years ahead of TJ.
He really needs a strong co-commentator though. He gets made to look worse when he agrees with some verifiability incorrect thing Marshall has said. The co-commentator has to be level headed and a good analyst of the game that provides insights into what just happened. I guess NZ doesn't have a big enough market for there to be many people that would choose that as a career path, so we fall back on ex-players who are honestly a lot worse than the average Fern poster.
Bring back Fox! And Sumo (not the whiny, alltheplayersaremycrew one).
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@taniwharugby said in Justin Marshall gone:
I've always felt Marshall is a much better analyst than commentator, particularly when he used to do articles for stuff or the herald.
Think in the commentator box he let's his emotions get the better of him and speaks before thinking
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant. I also like the way he gets emotional/excited about great rugby whoever's playing, Don't like how acts a bit like a buffoon and he jumps to the wrong conclusions way too often.
Overall he adds colour and context and there are way worse comments people out there.
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@Stargazer said in Justin Marshall gone:
Apart from Rikki Swannell, I don't rate most of the commentators highly,
She's great and up there with Andrew Cotter in my book. Love to see her doing more top level rugby
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@Stargazer said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Kirwan said in Justin Marshall gone:
I wish they would get ex-coaches instead of ex-players.
Agree that McTanish is the best commentator going around, they just need to bite the bullet and make the change.
Ex-players, who are also (ex-)referees, might be the exception. Or just good (ex-)referees. They had Glen Jackson on the Breakdown a few years ago and he was really good. He's coaching now, so not sure he's available. I wonder whether Mike Fraser, who recently retired as a ref and is now a high performance referee coach, would be good as a (guest) commentator. There must be a few others.
Ex-refs in general would also be good.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant.
It's ok on replay but fucking atrocious on live play.
As soon as Marshall starts talking about how everyone's positioned and what play they're going to do, dollars to donuts it's going to be pretty much the opposite. I guess it is quite good because when he calls it you know you don't have to look out for that.
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@Bones said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant.
It's ok on replay but fucking atrocious on live play.
As soon as Marshall starts talking about how everyone's positioned and what play they're going to do, dollars to donuts it's going to be pretty much the opposite. I guess it is quite good because when he calls it you know you don't have to look out for that.
On the plus side, he never says: "Space out wide...!!"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Bones said in Justin Marshall gone:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Justin Marshall gone:
I find his TV analysis, particularly on replays, is often really good - sometimes brilliant.
It's ok on replay but fucking atrocious on live play.
As soon as Marshall starts talking about how everyone's positioned and what play they're going to do, dollars to donuts it's going to be pretty much the opposite. I guess it is quite good because when he calls it you know you don't have to look out for that.
On the plus side, he never says: "Space out wide...!!"
I wouldn't be so sure...
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