All Blacks 2023
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
If ever there was a graphic that summed up AB supporters and our level of delusion it's this
A guy universally reviled as the worst thing that ever happened to All Black rugby, has a winning percentage in excess of 70%
Compare that to the guys around him though, it is significantly lower... and it is also propped up by the fact he avoided tough games right through 2020 and the start of 2021. No South Africa, then played Fiji and Tonga rather than an England/France etc. in that window. No end of year tour in that first year either.
Now is not the time to bash Foster, but using these stats to support him is silly.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Which loops me back to
A poor AB coach is a legend to nearly every other nation on earth.
There's a reason why the abs are the greatest team ever, so yes
Isn't our historical mean 70%
Actually about 79% (78.88%) basesd on a draw being half a point.
It was 79.03% immediate prior to Fozzie taking on the job.
Interestingly, at the end of 1986, when NZ only recognised the IRB member nations as Test matches (with the odd exception) our record was 71.78%.
Lowest it ever was was 1950 at 65.49%. See graph below.
But I digress ...
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i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
Yeah I pretty much feel the same way.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Which loops me back to
A poor AB coach is a legend to nearly every other nation on earth.
There are two ways of looking at that:
-A poor AB coach is legendary for other nations. They love it because it seldom happens.-You'd have to be extremely piss-poor to take the players we have and consistently lose matches. Not even an average coach could do that. It takes exceptional shitness.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
There was no plan. Shit results, gets saved by changing the assistants to two who know what they are doing. He is smug despite all the losses, imagine what he will be like for the rest of eternity-assuming we get 1 more win, in the final.
Hail, Foster, RWC winning coach extraordinaire, savior of the All Blacks. -
@Wairau you dont need to tell me...i have more than one rant about him on here
but the alternative is what? cheer for SA so we can feel justified? fuck SA and fuck that, backing the boys to win and if he gets some praise then thats the price we pay
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Ian Foster has been disappointing me personally since 2004. I have Facebook memories annually telling me just how much I have been disappointed.
And yet here I am, 19 years later, able to admit maybe he knows a bit more than I gave him credit for.I'm wondering how I'd have reacted in 2003 if I'd been told we're stuck with the bloke for 20 years, no titles, but in 2023 he takes the AB's to a RWC Final, and...?
Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach, but fingers crossed for the weekend - and hopefully history gives us something great to reevaluate.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
He’s one more win away from a knighthood, just to trigger the anti-Foster mob a little more.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
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@Wairau said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
There was no plan. Shit results, gets saved by changing the assistants to two who know what they are doing. He is smug despite all the losses, imagine what he will be like for the rest of eternity-assuming we get 1 more win, in the final.
Hail, Foster, RWC winning coach extraordinaire, savior of the All Blacks.We assume you'll be rooting for the Bokke then?
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
Is Foster non binary too ?
Crumbs, at least it’ll give us something to give him grief about other than fat jokes I guess
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year
but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking
assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim
would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no
....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win
Is Foster non binary too ?
Crumbs, at least it’ll give us something to give him grief about other than fat jokes I guess
The team, if this is the plan then the players have to be in on it, to stick to previous game plans the weren’t working
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Isn't there a dedicated thread for you lot to cry endlessly about Foster?
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I have fairly low expectations, I'm just asking Foster to help the ABs win one more game, and then he can lose as many as he likes. And if he looks smug currently, well, you can understand why.
I still think Farrell is one of the best coaches out there.
