All Blacks v England
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Not saying improvements aren't needed but before Schmidt, the try do anything from everywhere approach that was in place before he came along was a complete failure, we couldn't even maintain our own ball. We were not able to consistently even score tries from lineout drives.. which we can now.
It does appear that the limited game plan revolves around an improved forward play and a 10 that can steer us around the park.. and sometimes that works, but with an inconsistent 10 that doesn't help either.
I loved that try from the kick pass against England to put Reiko away (although I don't know how many failed kick passes I have seen this year), but the set piece try from the lineout against Japan was pretty spectacular. Would love to see more of that
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
Just loudly, attack under Foster hasn't been that wonderful for any stretch either.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
Just loudly, attack under Foster hasn't been that wonderful for any stretch either.
Even more loudly...our attack has pretty much sucked from 2018....
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
Yeah I found it interesting in interviews after the game Foster defended TJ kicking and then Eddie defended them kicking it out and accepting the draw ,
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life attack strategy = do something amazing and score....if cant, kick away
to be fair that is a strategy that most top teams play to now as, apart from set piece manipulations, it is getting harder and harder to break down defences and phases run risks of random penalties. Look at England's reasons for not having a crack at the end of the game. The short kick down the middle put them in an awkard situation of having to run some phases to get aligned for an attack and the risk of turnover or penalty was too high.
Yeah I found it interesting in interviews after the game Foster defended TJ kicking and then Eddie defended them kicking it out and accepting the draw ,
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
i was yelling at abs to kick just not that kick
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@Rancid-Schnitzel You would hope so but they are not changing so maybe in the love affair between Fozzie and players maybe they don't like confrontation.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
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@Catogrande In classic fern fashion they are keeping the powder dry.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
2007 RWC has entered the chat.
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I liked the fake box kicks to manipulate opposition positioning and the deception on who was getting the ball in the backline.
It wasn’t that long ago where our attack structure was just a pop of forwards who might or might try a pop pass under pressure.
Seeing signs of improvement, but as was mentioned above if needs a reliable ten that can do more than just step. Certainly not RM, huge problem that might only be solved by trying the next cap off the rank.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
If giving away possession to avoid penalties make sure it is down inside the opposition 22, or get the bloke with the biggest boot to attempt the 50:22
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year 😀
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year 😀
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The groan from the crowd and Stuart's face and subsequent apology to the ABs was very telling.
I hope England find themselves in a similar situation during the World Cup and balls it up royally because they didn't back themselves here.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year 😀
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Never lost a Test to Rhodesia
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v England:
Both giving almost identical answers saying its become very risky trying to maintain possesion for long periods now without conceding a penalty
if teams are coached to avoid the ball because of the risk of a penalty I'm rather saddened by that.
2007 RWC has entered the chat.
I was indeed saddened by how France played. Although they picked up nicely to tinny forward passes.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
why stop at this year 😀
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Never lost a Test to Rhodesia
And here I was not mentioning tests.
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Two red card offences from Genge that were missed.
One an assist tackle on Whitelock. No arms, head on head contact, with force.
The other a cleanout on Papali'i. Again head on head contact, no binding, with force.This has got to be my biggest gripe with the game right now. It's an absolute lottery with who gets these calls and who doesn't. Outcome altering decisions that are completely at the whim of the ref or TMO.
