All Blacks vs Wales
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
Yup.
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Loosies, Paps and Belly Flop are a huge problem for the opposition. Still need to think a bit more about 6.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
“We shortened up our passes and our forwards tightened up. At times we were really dominant, getting round the corner to win the collision area, deliver good cleanouts and we were breaking into the 22 a lot.”
Except Azza when you threw that long worm burner pass that gave Frizell no chance to catch it 😉
Definitely saw a better clean out game. After watching a bit more of it today, our locks really hit the ruck hard. And even Vaa’i when he came on continued it.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
Yup.
Oh well good then.
Hopefully he can attach the physical action of actually throwing one too at some point, be good to see them work on it a bit, see if the outsides can keep up with Jordies eye
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
If that is true, Whitelock just grew in stature with me. On field adjustments? Holy cow
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
Savea said the same I think
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
So Fozzie's plan was helter skelter run about like blue assed flies?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.100%. Sure, he'll need time to develop, but I'm just happy Jordie isn't a disaster, nor flaky at 12 and can play two games in a row without buggering anything up.
That is a huge improvement.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
So Fozzie's plan was helter skelter run about like blue assed flies?
I suspect a bit more width but the conditions did not appear to be suitable so likely went for wet weather rugby under the roof
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Distribution and vision are his strong points
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I'm no greenhouse expert but you'd think some f***** could work out how to make the stadium not slippery
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wales:
I'm no greenhouse expert but you'd think some f***** could work out how to make the stadium not slippery
I thought we were watching I'm a Celebrity
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
But conditions and outcomes changed the thinking. Despite the roof being closed in Cardiff, the heavy rain and relatively warm temperature created a degree of humidity inside the stadium and conditions were heavier and wetter than they may have appeared.slippery,” says Aaron Smith. “It was dewy and it was warm. Everyone was dripping wet after about five minutes. There were a few dropped balls early on so everyone had to adjust.
“We shortened up our passes and our forwards tightened up. At times we were really dominant, getting round the corner to win the collision area, deliver good cleanouts and we were breaking into the 22 a lot.”
The biggest change since Ellis Park for me has been player attitude on the field. The wild-eyed look when mistakes are made has vanished and they actually look to be enjoying themselves out there. There's more calmness when they leak a try and the discussion on what went wrong and how to fix it seems way less panicky - almost relaxed but serious.
The comparison between 2nd half of the French Test last year and this game was stark. Last year they took it up the guts to wrestle the game back but made mistake after mistake which handed momentum back to France - as they did against England at RWC2019. This time the discipline and control with the same tactics was on another level.
Still too many easy tries given away and we don't know how good we actually are until we play England, but the on-field team work and management is way, way better
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@Victor-Meldrew I've been glad that Cane hasn't looked clinically depressed since the loss to Argentina.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The comparison between 2nd half of the French Test last year and this game was stark. Last year they took it up the guts to wrestle the game back but made mistake after mistake which handed momentum back to France
That French team is vastly better than this Welsh team, who finished 5th with one win. Can't compare.
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@Victor-Meldrew I do wonder if the biggest change is actually just quality of opposition (sorry Mike)
