All Blacks vs Wales
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
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I think it would be a huge call for Foster to not bring Cane back. Remember how he called Frizell "family"? Cane is even closer to him. This will be interesting.
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What a hilariously derpy game of footy.
It seemed like every time a team did something good, they would immediately do something stupid. Some of those AB penalties were fucking idiotic.
But we fucking smashed them. On the scoreboard and on the pitch. Suddenly last week against Japan makes more sense. We're going to smash teams up front. Deadset we could have selected loose forwards at 11-14 and been a better side. The backs did nothing, got given nothing. 2003 England watched that and thought "gee that's a bit much". I reckon we ignored about 3 overlaps because Mo'unga was happy to watch Smith and the forwards work.
Defence was fucking great too. Except for the dumb ass ruck penalties.
That's a pretty sweet performance and win. Starting forwards will sleep well. Bit of a statement up front actually.
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@nostrildamus Cane should be the guy who gets the call if he’s needed at this stage. Just let him play Super, part of the wider squad and if we get a couple injuries at 7 then there’s a fresh Sam Cane for a game. Just so much wear and tear on the poor guy.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
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Something I did notice was a big reluctance to move the ball backwards to go forwards if that makes sense. Traditionally we have passed deep to go forward but with rush defence you end up losing metres. Tonight, they kept it close with the ball rarely going that far behind the ruck line. Pick and goes etc are often easy metres. The only issue with this is 13,11,14 are not going to see as much ball as they once did but judging by CC and Reece tonight that might be a good thing.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
Not you personally because I don't know your stance when the AB 15 was named but Fernland is so fickle (not sure that is the word I am looking for?). In the space of one game Gardiner has gone from 'fucking Canterbury bias, what the fuck is Gardiner getting picked for?' to 'how about putting him at 6 for the ABs.'
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Something I did notice was a big reluctance to move the ball backwards to go forwards if that makes sense. Traditionally we have passed deep to go forward but with rush defence you end up losing metres. Tonight, they kept it close with the ball rarely going that far behind the ruck line. Pick and goes etc are often easy metres. The only issue with this is 13,11,14 are not going to see as much ball as they once did but judging by CC and Reece tonight that might be a good thing.
I wonder how much the humid conditions and slippery ball played a part in that?
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
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@Machpants so he'd been keeping the powder dry...
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
I haven't watched the whole game yet, but Clarke and Reece seemed to busy themselves with runs closer to the ruck, but otherwise it wasn't a day to be a wide player. Clarke shelled a great opportunity to return a poor Welsh cross kick early, but I'd like to see more chances to run it once we establish dominance
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@game_film said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus Cane should be the guy who gets the call if he’s needed at this stage. Just let him play Super, part of the wider squad and if we get a couple injuries at 7 then there’s a fresh Sam Cane for a game. Just so much wear and tear on the poor guy.
agreed. But only if he is in form and up to speed.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
Not you personally because I don't know your stance when the AB 15 was named but Fernland is so fickle (not sure that is the word I am looking for?). In the space of one game Gardiner has gone from 'fucking Canterbury bias, what the fuck is Gardiner getting picked for?' to 'how about putting him at 6 for the ABs.'
Those sour grapes must taste so sweet!
I'm a wayward Blues fan but had no comment on the XV selection. Just happy MMT and Stevenson (and Lam) were selected and played well. Would probably not have TJP there but he played well (apart from passing) and the replacement looked a bit lost to me (but perhaps that is just the way he looks).
The great majority of the team played well IMHO and looked well-coached! So can't ask for more than that and didn't notice a huge Crusaders/Canterbury bias.Seriously Gardiner looked good almost as big an engine as Blackadder and arguably more accurate (I don't really see EB as a 7-others might disagree). -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
Kind of the basis of test match rugby really
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@mariner4life I think we targeted the Welsh forwards because they were vulnerable there during the 6Ns.
It will be interesting next week against Scotland because I quite like their pack and they have a bit of edge to their play. But we will have opportunities out wide and so will we revert or stay narrow?
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@nostrildamus as a Cantab I cringed at a few of those Canterbury/Crusader selections for sure and Gardiner was probably one of them. I couldn't help but wonder why players such as Gardiner, Brewis, Gallagher instead of a number of others around the country. All good players with solid futures for sure (and like the rest of the team they all stood up against Ireland), but any better than other young players out there?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus as a Cantab I cringed at a few of those Canterbury/Crusader selections for sure and Gardiner was probably one of them. I couldn't help but wonder why players such as Gardiner, Brewis, Gallagher instead of a number of others around the country. All good players with solid futures for sure (and like the rest of the team they all stood up against Ireland), but any better than other young players out there?
I guess the (unlikely) answer is to have more XV games?
