All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Daffy-Jaffy alot to like about him!
Seems a pretty down to earth 'kiwi bloke', not too overawed or enthused by how things have gone so far, also liked how he said we had taken a couple of small steps forward. and knows there is still work to do.
Saw posts elsewhere here re his relationship with Razor and how this may have strained that, I dont doubt it was pretty tough for him, but ultimately he has his own path, I expect he wanted it to follow with Razor but that wasnt to be, so he is forging ahead down his own path.
Why would it have strained his relationship with Razor? Surely Razor would be stoked for him?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah Frizell's performance is being overhyped. I guess compared to his previous 20 odd truly awful appearances it was a big step up, but still far below the best Akira has shown in black.
Is it? For my money he was fantastic and really stood up when it counted. Not faultless, of course, but absolutely worthy of the praise.
Akira was great against Oz last year but then quieter in the Bok matches. So the fact Frizell shined vs the Boks when Ioane didn’t, is a point worth pondering.
Maybe just different type of players who shine against different teams.
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@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
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@Victor-Meldrew So you have bought into Fozzie bringing NZ rugby down by accepting that every other team is just better? Enough of these low expectations!! They need to win by 20. I am still holding this “nice guy’s” feet to the fire even though only in 1’s and 0’s.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
So Akira has an ability to switch from metric to imperial on the fly? I’d like to see Frizell try that!
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
That's conjecture. No doubt some things would have gone as well, but others not.
One thing which I really liked was Bok kick offs being returned by Richie to around halfway. BB doesn't seem reliable in that role.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
surely the coaches would be telling him to stand deeper if he's standing flat on his own accord?
Well it was completely different from the regular NZ depth he stood at for the Blues. It wasn't just his depth, it was the alignment further out too
I'm hoping it was an innovation from Mooar and has disappeared with his job
To me that had Fozzie’s fingerprints all over it and is what we saw at the Chiefs and Waikato.
My concern with Beaudie’s form is the lack of variation and his kicking. For me that doesn’t have much to do with tactics or gameplan (or lack of). He’s our second most experienced back in the squad, so has seen it all and has been very effective in reading the defence. Even his Blues form this year was very up and down in my view.
He’s one of my favourite rugby players, so it’s hard seeing him not being as effective or at the very least play to unleash our outsides.
As a Blues fan I far preferred Perofeta as the closer.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
And here's me thinking it was Mo'unga starting in the 10 shirt at Ellis Park with BB on the bench.
You think Mo'unga started because Foster wanted to give him a run?
I think he started him because Beauden wasn't 100%. Like everyone else.
Or could Foster be more of a BB fan than Joe?
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
Tend to agree Kirwan, and to simplfy it my take is Frizell tends to run in closer, makes less meterage, but the next phase is usually set qyuicker with more support, and as you say Akira is more comfortable seemingly running slightly wider as a almost a link type player. Not sure if Akira has baan told to come in closer , but he did seem to when he came on against Boks.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
That's conjecture. No doubt some things would have gone as well, but others not.
One thing which I really liked was Bok kick offs being returned by Richie to around halfway. BB doesn't seem reliable in that role.
They were playing at altitude, everyone looks like an amazing punter at Ellis Park. Also, that ignores the multiple times we didn't exit well at all costing us points.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
It seemed Razor was initially chilled, but maybe that was because he knew two losses in SA and he'd get the gig?
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@Dan54 I think Ryan’s interview where he talked about defining roles is the key. The forwards were aimless and in the 2nd test against the Boks they were great at clearing out the rucks and it was rare to see a forward isolated in contact.
Surely Akira can learn to run straight. Fozizzle did this and was effective.
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Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
So you have bought into Fozzie bringing NZ rugby down by accepting that every other team is just better?
I don't buy into anyone's anything. I'm pointing out that Argentina played well against Oz and just as with Ireland and France, the days of easy wins aren't around anymore.
A good, solid, controlled win will be fine. A big score is less important than how we play.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is pathetic
