All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial id love to see those kinds of stats put against all the other top teams, see if thats normal
Reckon it would be reasonably normal, and I would think most reasons are injuries.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
Except fot Will Jordan in the foreground, hope you take more attention of games mate!!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
All blacks are doing Vyvyan Basterd style press ups.
Cane is out of synch with everyone.
A bit like some of his performances on the pitch this year.
Except fot Will Jordan in the foreground, hope you take more attention of games mate!!
Depends how pissed I am or if I’m even watching in the first place
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
Well apart from Luke Jacobson and Hoskin Sotutu both starting at 8 last year, and Dmac playing at 15 at least once?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial probably hardly surprising to not field the same side often as there'd not be often there'd not be an injury from the fame before.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Yeah, I agree. The actual numbers surprised me though.
Pretty sure that if we had to guess the “how often” numbers on here we wouldn’t have hit so low. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Also, anything less than absolutely stuffing the Argies at home is completely unacceptable.
The Pumas are no longer a push-over, home or away. So a good solid win which builds on Ellis Park will be fine for me.
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@Daffy-Jaffy alot to like about him!
Seems a pretty down to earth 'kiwi bloke', not too overawed or enthused by how things have gone so far, also liked how he said we had taken a couple of small steps forward. and knows there is still work to do.
Saw posts elsewhere here re his relationship with Razor and how this may have strained that, I dont doubt it was pretty tough for him, but ultimately he has his own path, I expect he wanted it to follow with Razor but that wasnt to be, so he is forging ahead down his own path.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial probably hardly surprising to not field the same side often as there'd not be often there'd not be an injury from the fame before.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Yep, you need more detail for it to be meaningful. More than zero changes includes wholesale rotation, changing your 9 and 10 weekly; or having one injury change, or resting one player from an otherwise settled team.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
Well apart from Luke Jacobson and Hoskin Sotutu both starting at 8 last year, and Dmac playing at 15 at least once?
So you think if Ardie goes down that Sotutu and Jacobson are good to go? After all they got to play last year.
Sometimes Foster is forced to make changes, but in many positions that is the only reason he does so. Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
And here's me thinking it was Mo'unga starting in the 10 shirt at Ellis Park with BB on the bench.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
And here's me thinking it was Mo'unga starting in the 10 shirt at Ellis Park with BB on the bench.
You think Mo'unga started because Foster wanted to give him a run?
I think he started him because Beauden wasn't 100%. Like everyone else.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
There’s been a lot of comments about Foster changing the side all the time but it looks like that isn’t an unusual thing.
It's not that he changes all the time, but that some positions switch every game, while others never change at all. So we have no idea who are our starting props, but at the same time no-one gets anything like a decent run at #8 other than Ardie, or fullback other than someone named Barrett.
So we have blooded lots of props, but not as a unit. Meanwhile if Ardie goes down, our #8 will have had almost no time in black.
I would like to see a settled team, but also others getting a run within that settled team.
That is, after all, how most coaches operate.
Well apart from Luke Jacobson and Hoskin Sotutu both starting at 8 last year, and Dmac playing at 15 at least once?
So you think if Ardie goes down that Sotutu and Jacobson are good to go? After all they got to play last year.
Sometimes Foster is forced to make changes, but in many positions that is the only reason he does so. Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
I take it you are in camp so know why RMo is starting Chester. Would you really of wanted Ardie benched (probably consistently our best player) over last couple of years against Irish or Boks? I would suggest you look at bringing in players next week, and probably off bench. Reiko has started every game at 13 too, and rightly so, same as Sam W etc when they fit. Mix and match later if the team is looking to be going ok. Japan , Scotland could see a few changes too.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
And here's me thinking it was Mo'unga starting in the 10 shirt at Ellis Park with BB on the bench.
You think Mo'unga started because Foster wanted to give him a run?
I think he started him because Beauden wasn't 100%. Like everyone else.
Who else thought BB was injured in SA, I haven't heard that before. Who gives you this info?
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Mo'unga is not starting because Foster wants to give him a go. He's starting because the golden one is not fit -- no other reason.
And here's me thinking it was Mo'unga starting in the 10 shirt at Ellis Park with BB on the bench.
You think Mo'unga started because Foster wanted to give him a run?
Because he fits the game-plan better and had a cracking game at Ellis Park. He's been picked on his last performance - like the rest of the team - and I'd imagine that BB would have been in the 23 if not for injuries.
You think Mo'unga started because Foster wanted to give him a run?
I think he started him because Beauden wasn't 100%. Like everyone else.If you'd watched the pre-Ellis Park presser, you'd know that's just bollocks.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Daffy-Jaffy alot to like about him!
Seems a pretty down to earth 'kiwi bloke', not too overawed or enthused by how things have gone so far, also liked how he said we had taken a couple of small steps forward. and knows there is still work to do.
Saw posts elsewhere here re his relationship with Razor and how this may have strained that, I dont doubt it was pretty tough for him, but ultimately he has his own path, I expect he wanted it to follow with Razor but that wasnt to be, so he is forging ahead down his own path.
Why would it have strained his relationship with Razor? Surely Razor would be stoked for him?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah Frizell's performance is being overhyped. I guess compared to his previous 20 odd truly awful appearances it was a big step up, but still far below the best Akira has shown in black.
Is it? For my money he was fantastic and really stood up when it counted. Not faultless, of course, but absolutely worthy of the praise.
Akira was great against Oz last year but then quieter in the Bok matches. So the fact Frizell shined vs the Boks when Ioane didn’t, is a point worth pondering.
Maybe just different type of players who shine against different teams.
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@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
