All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
A few questions:
Will Retallick come back into the 23?
Brodie sidelined for up to 2 months
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129298852/all-blacks-suffer-another-blow-with-brodie-retallick-ruled-out-with-broken-cheekboneThere was a report that said 6 weeks which could see him back for the Argies second test.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader wouldn't be surprised to see Beauden to fullback with RTS and Reece on the bench.
Be good to see RTS given some time but think Pumas 1 will likely be the same as Bokke 2 barring injuries.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader wouldn't be surprised to see Beauden to fullback with RTS and Reece on the bench.
Be good to see RTS given some time but think Pumas 1 will likely be the same as Bokke 2 barring injuries.
Agreed
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@pakman I have no real opinion on who should be starting at 3 but hopefully Fletcher will remain in the reserves, De Groot starts again at loosehead please, probably was 1 of Frizell's better tests stick with him for now🤔 & yes Fakatava shall be seen in Black again soon🤞wanna see Will Jordan get a run at 15 but I'm just a fan so I don't know if it would be best for the team🙂
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman I have no real opinion on who should be starting at 3 but hopefully Fletcher will remain in the reserves, De Groot starts again at loosehead please, probably was 1 of Frizell's better tests stick with him for now🤔 & yes Fakatava shall be seen in Black again soon🤞wanna see Will Jordan get a run at 15 but I'm just a fan so I don't know if it would be best for the team🙂
I quite like idea of Crusaders 'bomb squad'. Good way to start Fletch's AB journey.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pakman I have no real opinion on who should be starting at 3 but hopefully Fletcher will remain in the reserves, De Groot starts again at loosehead please, probably was 1 of Frizell's better tests stick with him for now🤔 & yes Fakatava shall be seen in Black again soon🤞wanna see Will Jordan get a run at 15 but I'm just a fan so I don't know if it would be best for the team🙂
Christie seems first choice bench 9 and does that job really well but I suspect Foster & co. will want to give Fakatava that role in Pumas 2 - provided Pumas 1 isn't a disaster.
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@Victor-Meldrew I think Smith will get a rest sometime.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew I think Smith will get a rest sometime.
Maybe in Pumas 2 if P1 goes to plan.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew I think Smith will get a rest sometime.
Yeah. And I feel a lot more confident about that than I did a year ago.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader wouldn't be surprised to see Beauden to fullback with RTS and Reece on the bench.
Be good to see RTS given some time but think Pumas 1 will likely be the same as Bokke 2 barring injuries.
Yeah, gotta give reward for performance and time for some too cement their place. Changes for arg 2, game face for bled 1 Eden park, foster cannot afford to lose there
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If you listened to Foster in the few actual rugby related questions in his PC he perked up when asked about the young props and whether he thinks they may have found what they are looking for. I expect them to get another go and be firmly in the experience gathering phase.
Frizell will start over Akira. Akira’s biggest flaw was obvious the other night and that is that he is an upper body player and they want more leg drive. If I could be bothered I would try and find clips but he carries leaning into the tacklers and swatting/shrugging away without pumping the legs. I really hope he can get past this instinct as it doesn’t serve well at top levels. Frizell usually drives that extra half metre plus and has the tacklers going backwards.
I think we will stick with the midfield. Any testing there will only come from the bench and at the moment the plan seems to be QT covering both positions (as ALB would). RTS doesn’t offer that. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
If you listened to Foster in the few actual rugby related questions in his PC he perked up when asked about the young props and whether he thinks they may have found what they are looking for. I expect them to get another go and be firmly in the experience gathering phase.
Frizell will start over Akira. Akira’s biggest flaw was obvious the other night and that is that he is an upper body player and they want more leg drive. If I could be bothered I would try and find clips but he carries leaning into the tacklers and swatting/shrugging away without pumping the legs. I really hope he can get past this instinct as it doesn’t serve well at top levels. Frizell usually drives that extra half metre plus and has the tacklers going backwards.
I think we will stick with the midfield. Any testing there will only come from the bench and at the moment the plan seems to be QT covering both positions (as ALB would). RTS doesn’t offer that.Interesting. If you read the fern it’s as simple as “Akira is God, Frizell is shit” but there’s obviously more to it than that as you’ve pointed out.
So what you’re saying if Akira doesn’t fend the guy straight away he goes to ground ?
He looks more capable of going up the guts than Frizell at first glance I have to say.
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@MN5 Attack was setup deeper in that game. It helped the midfield and forwards in particular who were able to run onto the ball rather than get the ball static
Hopefully they stick with that alignment going from now on. It's closer to what they all used at SR level
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
If you listened to Foster in the few actual rugby related questions in his PC he perked up when asked about the young props and whether he thinks they may have found what they are looking for. I expect them to get another go and be firmly in the experience gathering phase.
Frizell will start over Akira. Akira’s biggest flaw was obvious the other night and that is that he is an upper body player and they want more leg drive. If I could be bothered I would try and find clips but he carries leaning into the tacklers and swatting/shrugging away without pumping the legs. I really hope he can get past this instinct as it doesn’t serve well at top levels. Frizell usually drives that extra half metre plus and has the tacklers going backwards.
I think we will stick with the midfield. Any testing there will only come from the bench and at the moment the plan seems to be QT covering both positions (as ALB would). RTS doesn’t offer that.Interesting. If you read the fern it’s as simple as “Akira is God, Frizell is shit” but there’s obviously more to it than that as you’ve pointed out.
So what you’re saying if Akira doesn’t fend the guy straight away he goes to ground ?
He looks more capable of going up the guts than Frizell at first glance I have to say.
I’m at pains to point out that I’m not an Akira hater. I love watching X factor type skills and players that bring something different/extra. That’s why I will often defend DMac. It would be hypocritical if I didn’t also like Akira
With both though I can see why their strengths become their weaknesses at the very top levels and habits that work well for them elsewhere don’t translate.
They are great against all except the good forward power based teams of which, sadly for them and us, there are a couple more at the moment.
I can see why there is reluctance from selectors -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
If you listened to Foster in the few actual rugby related questions in his PC he perked up when asked about the young props and whether he thinks they may have found what they are looking for. I expect them to get another go and be firmly in the experience gathering phase.
Frizell will start over Akira. Akira’s biggest flaw was obvious the other night and that is that he is an upper body player and they want more leg drive. If I could be bothered I would try and find clips but he carries leaning into the tacklers and swatting/shrugging away without pumping the legs. I really hope he can get past this instinct as it doesn’t serve well at top levels. Frizell usually drives that extra half metre plus and has the tacklers going backwards.
I think we will stick with the midfield. Any testing there will only come from the bench and at the moment the plan seems to be QT covering both positions (as ALB would). RTS doesn’t offer that.Interesting. If you read the fern it’s as simple as “Akira is God, Frizell is shit” but there’s obviously more to it than that as you’ve pointed out.
So what you’re saying if Akira doesn’t fend the guy straight away he goes to ground ?
He looks more capable of going up the guts than Frizell at first glance I have to say.
I’m at pains to point out that I’m not an Akira hater. I love watching X factor type skills and players that bring something different/extra. That’s why I will often defend DMac. It would be hypocritical if I didn’t also like Akira
With both though I can see why their strengths become their weaknesses at the very top levels and habits that work well for them elsewhere don’t translate.
They are great against all except the good forward power based teams of which, sadly for them and us, there are a couple more at the moment.
I can see why there is reluctance from selectorsInteresting stuff. Some guys have better leg drive through strength/technique/power than others.
Compare Sam Cane and Ardie Savea for example.
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i would be loath to change a damn thing. 2 weeks between games should be ample rest. The team gelled as the game wore on, they didn't hit the ground running. To me that says the group needs another hit out to settle in to what they are being asked to do.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Akira’s biggest flaw was obvious the other night and that is that he is an upper body player and they want more leg drive. If I could be bothered I would try and find clips but he carries leaning into the tacklers and swatting/shrugging away without pumping the legs. I really hope he can get past this instinct as it doesn’t serve well at top levels.
Perhaps Jason Ryan can get something different out of him but at this point I think it's unlikely he will ever change. He debuted in Super Rugby in 2015 so you'd think if it was ever going to change it would have happened already.
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@mariner4life Interesting that's exactly what Ma'a Nonu was angling towards in the post match comments.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Akira’s biggest flaw was obvious the other night and that is that he is an upper body player and they want more leg drive. If I could be bothered I would try and find clips but he carries leaning into the tacklers and swatting/shrugging away without pumping the legs. I really hope he can get past this instinct as it doesn’t serve well at top levels.
Perhaps Jason Ryan can get something different out of him but at this point I think it's unlikely he will ever change. He debuted in Super Rugby in 2015 so you'd think if it was ever going to change it would have happened already.
But he gets results from playing that way in Super a good portion of the time. He's playing against a wider group of player abilities rather than best of the best. Again, to use the DMac example, DMac can step and run around players in Super but hit brick walls in tests.
DMac is trying to transfer his experiences into being an effective 10 now but Akira will go back to Super in the same roles he has always played and do well at them.
If he was to buy into a work on to add more leg drive in contact it would be great for the ABs as his overall skills are much better than Frizell.BTW did anyone notice that unlike Akira, Frizell isn't used out wide?
