Springboks v All Blacks I
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My two cents.
Our tight five got munted.
Cane was completely ineffective
Ardie was a work horse as usual but should be at 7, just make that bloody call already. He’s quite obviously our best player but needs to be at 7.
Ioane did absolutely f all but Frizzel isn’t the answer.
Havili isn’t a 12. Give Jordie a crack there and move Jordan to 15? Or bring in TUJ.
Bring Reece back in on the right.So many bloody issues.
Foster’s a fucking joke and Captain Cane needs to go. Until then, the ABs will be continue to be a circus.
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Just watching for first time...
At half time... ST and Ardie are the only forwards standing up. SB with some solid tackles too but basically our fwds are getting dominated.. We're very passive on defence and with ball in hand...Boks loosies and Marx owning us.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I think foster really believes he's got what it takes
havent read back...but to me, that right there seems to be a huge part of the issue.
Somehow, he genuinely believes he is doing good, and that things are on the right track, which is ironic given our players dont seem to have the same level of confidence in themselves and one another....
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I think foster really believes he's got what it takes
havent read back...but to me, that right there seems to be a huge part of the issue.
Somehow, he genuinely believes he is doing good, and that things are on track, which is ironic given our players dont seem to have the same level of confidence in themselves and one another....
The blind leading the blind
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All is Black
Another day, another debacle.
While there were some clear improvements in this test such as the maul defence, the All Blacks still look like a team out of ideas and out of excuses.
You could see that in their rare moments on attack, with a succession of Hail Mary passes going to no one in particular. Again, there appeared to be no game plan and no structure. Again, we witnessed a complete inability to deal with the rush (offside) defence and the high balls.
Yet none of the Springboks’ tactics was surprising. It’s how they beat us last year after all. But we still have no effective response, no ideas, no confidence and absolutely no future under this coaching regime.
The worst thing is that this train-wreck was completely predictable when Foster was shovelled the job with little or no oversight. Of course, he needs to go, but then so does Mark Robinson and the NZR board. Indeed, this horror show could provide a case study for an MBA graduate in how to destroy a brand overnight.
Ultimately, the All Blacks’ directionless and uncharacteristically tentative on-field performances, despite the heroics and heart shown by individual players, are a mirror reflection of the disarray off the field - the Keystone cop head coach, the incompetent CEO and the arrogant and out of touch administrators drinking from a once overflowing trough of riches that has now run dry.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Awesome Silverlake timing
The value of their shareholding will have diminished so greatly that if won't cost that much when it comes to taking up any buy back options there might be in the contract.
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@MrDenmore said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Yet none of the Springboks’ tactics was surprising. It’s how they beat us last year after all. But we still have no effective response, no ideas, no confidence and absolutely no future under this coaching regime.
They beat us last year with a last minute penalty and kick at the death. We had better attack last year to put pressure on the Boks. This year we couldn’t put any scoreboard pressure on them allowing them to just settle into their game.
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What the fuck is with the "water break" bullshit?
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@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
What the fuck is with the "water break" bullshit?
A WR fuck up solution to the endless free access of ancillary staff to the playing area. Now instead of lots of small time wasting breathers, the behemoth players get to have a big breather when they call for it.
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Well. Shit aye?
First. Awesome south Africa. Brutally effective rugby. Executed really really well. Consistently applied pressure. Kicked well. Contested brilliantly. Strong set piece. Good discipline. Hard at the ruck. That's how you win test matches.
Won territory and possession. If it was counted as time inside the opp 40m I reckon the stat is even more lopsidedI thought the new winger was man of the match until he got it very very wrong. Marx next best.
Their defence was good too. Typical Bok outside in defence but we played right in to it. Then they just threw a body in the ruck.
An excellent test match performance than probably felt pretty comfortable for a long time.
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What's most frustrating about that game is our pack actually matched up well physically. We got absolutely no change at all from Angus for the first 30 minutes, with zero penalties our way to the five or six he gave the Boks. Yet despite that we were still well in the game and started working our way back into it when he finally started reffing both teams.
But our structure with ball in hand, fucking hell, just clueless. A symptom of this is how bad our 10s are playing at the moment. Beauden commands the ball at 10 but then has no idea what to do with it. Then Mo'unga comes on and just goes missing. By that I mean he will take the ball at first receiver at set piece, then is unsighted for the next 2 - 4 phases as random players take the ball at first receiver, before popping up deeper and wider looking for space that isn't there. That shit may work at SR but at test level where you are up against organised rush defenses that pressure you and force mistakes, the 10 has to be directing play as much as possible.
That doesn't come down to the players though, the fact that our 10s play SO differently within the same team really shows they are just trying to do what they think will work, rather than trying to implement a specific gameplan. The fact that Foster took charge of the backs is fucking damning really.
On other aspects of the game, I thought the way Angus reffed the scrums really benefitted the Boks. He seemed to want no resets, and instead blow penalties against who he deemed was the cause of the issue, and decided early on that the Boks had the dominant scrum so favoured them even though neither team really got any ascendancy in terms of pushing the other pack backwards. That gave them a big leg up throughout the game.
ST was really good, it's a bit scary how much better he is than CT and Coles now. Subbing him off was a costly mistake, a tired ST was a lot better than an erratic Coles who made some costly errors deep in their half when we needed points.
I don't have too much to add on the rest of the side other than the obvious fact that this team is in a serious rut now, and it's clear the players don't buy into the direction set by Foster. I'm not sure I'll bother watching next week, as it's a pretty big effort to get up when you have young kids, and there's little to get excited about at the moment. NZR are bearing the fruit of their incredibly poor decisions and are going to have to wear significant damage to the brand and legacy until they can move Foster on. Depressing times for ABs fans.
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@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Awesome Silverlake timing
The value of their shareholding will have diminished so greatly that if won't cost that much when it comes to taking up any buy back options there might be in the contract.
Maybe that was Robinson's master plan...get the money from silverlake, abs tanking, our value goes to hell, we buy the shares back at a 50th of what we sold them...bam, get that powder out, rwc 2023 baby!
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I don't know if this has already been said but that BB collision was such a terrible look for the game and despite all the emphasis on head contact from tacklers we had 3 concussions last night from other things. Bad ones too.
For the last one I am pointing a finger at the deliberate SA tactic of throwing players in the air to disrupt without catching and Gardner for not stopping it early on.
When Arendsee took out JB in the air without any chance of a catch the line was drawn on the wrong side of acceptability and it was only a matter of time before another incident. Almost every time he went up it was just flinging himself into the zone and making it look like an attempt to catch.
These are the things that WR and refs need to get right out of the game, even if it is to remove aerial contests. Total negligence IMO. -
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
On other aspects of the game, I thought the way Angus reffed the scrums really benefitted the Boks. He seemed to want no resets, and instead blow penalties against who he deemed was the cause of the issue, and decided early on that the Boks had the dominant scrum so favoured them even though neither team really got any ascendancy in terms of pushing the other pack backwards. That gave them a big leg up throughout the game.
Is there any rule on how long the ball stays in the scrum. I mean good on SA for milking the penalty but those first few it just seemed we waited ages until the AB's finally went backwards. Like is it a tug of war contest or is there some rule if the scrum is stable the 9 has to use it. I guess we would do the same if we had dominance and just shows another weakness of our game. It just seemed inevitable watching that wait long enough they get a penalty.
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For us.
Credit to the defence which was hugely improved, and the first half forward pack that actually matched them I thought. Yes they had slight advantages in their strength areas, but we did well elsewhere, and I was impressed we were holding. At half time considering the way the game played out I thought we were probably pretty happy with the score
But the entire backline should not be able to look their forwards in the face. Just absolute shit. Smashed in the kicking game and the catching game. As threatening as teen pop sensation in attack. No where to be seen when support was needed. And big errors at bad times.
BBarrett is playing shit. How the fuck does a dead loss like D Havili not only get picked, but guaranteed 80 minutes? Why can't we put up contestable kicks? Why can't we catch? Just rubbish
Then the bench? Fuck Dane Coles. Error. 2 lost lineouts. Frizzell scores a try but ends up net zero points.
The only time our attack looked threatening was in the first half when the fancy short passes were going nowhere so SBarrett said "fuck it" and just smashed on to the ball. Everyone followed and we suddenly looked dangerous. Oh wait, the 3 inside balls we threw all game worked too.
We can't apply pressure because we can't kick. We can't catch. And we can't keep thr ball because we don't make ground.
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Is JB injured? How is BB?
Interesting to see the divergence of opinion on Cane, Akira (every match!), Richie. I was surprised how we seemed much more urgent when Christie appeared. -
Much hurting and learning bullshit no doubt...
Watching them, there is no passion or urgency and not a cohesive combo amongst them at the moment.Boks comfortably the better team.
ST and Ardie aside forwards pretty anonymous.. ABs noticeably passive compared to the Boks.
Cane spoke well afterwards... Poor bastard..Taine Randell in my mind.
No combo's in the backs still.. Defence and attack pretty ordinary
Ethan DG and Christie were good off the pine.
Rinse and repeat next week I suspect.
Would like to see some changes.. Doubt we see too much.
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Ouur forwards issue on attack is we have completely abandoned power. Every set of phases today was all quick hands to try and find space even in close. Runners like savea, Ioane, and others trying to sidestep their way through. Absolutely no thought to smashing on to the ball at an angle to find a seam.
So we don't make ground. Their is constant pressure. We lose collisions, and we run out of players.
Hence the turnovers.
And thrn thr backline is either BB going nowhere himself or a fucking rubbish Havili cut out to a winger standing still on the chalk. Who gets tackled. Did our centre even touch the ball??
That was as bad as I have ever seen an AB side "attack"
