Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Frye Some of the best quotes
“At the core of their issues is a defence which is at best, confused, at worst, downright disorganised"
"They are struggling in set-piece, confused in defence, and uncoordinated in handling, things that you simply don’t expect from New Zealand teams. Virtually all of their tries in the July Tests came from one-out runners:"
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
“For a country of huge rugby IQ, the hole they’ve got themselves in is quite remarkable but the issues are so obvious that good coaching and time together can sort them out.”
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
So I guess the Ireland debacle was all Taylor and Reece's fault aye?
I mean Taylor played his part stinking up the joint but very harsh on Reece, I'd like to see him on the bench as he could make a real impact late in the game
The reserve backline mix is all wrong. Either Rieko or one of the Barretts would need to move to the wing if Clarke or Jordan went off injured. And then Havili to centre - that worked out well in the 3rd test.
One step forward with ST starting but then one step backwards with other selections.
I think it’s simple 10 or 15 get injured/replaced Mo’unga comes on.
If 11-14, QT comes on. QT plays centre if Ioane needs replacing. If a winger, then Ioane to wing and QT to centre.
the main fucking problem is if it's not for injury then you get some muddled shit like Ireland 3 where Mounga comes on, but we leave Barretts and Havili on and the entire backline looks like it was drawn out of a hat.
Having Barrett and Mounga in teh same 23 is pure injury cover these days. They are the exact same fucking player. And Apparently you can't sub a Barrett, so they both end up ont eh field together getting in everyone's way.
It's just muddled thinking, and more evidence of "pick your best 23 players, not your best team" which is very apparent and very detrimental
I reckon Beauden’s strategy is to be so unreliable at kicking that his brother gets a guaranteed place in the team. Genius really.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
That one I disagree with. A good attack from depth with different angles etc is a good tactic against rush D. The outside of the rush can have to stop dead so as not to create a gap in the line for an angled runner to exploit. We just aren't executing well partly due to getting slow ball.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
That one I disagree with. A good attack from depth with different angles etc is a good tactic against rush D. The outside of the rush can have to stop dead so as not to create a gap in the line for an angled runner to exploit. We just aren't executing well partly due to getting slow ball.
I think he means the lack of depth. Giving us no time, no momentum and no options
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
That one I disagree with. A good attack from depth with different angles etc is a good tactic against rush D. The outside of the rush can have to stop dead so as not to create a gap in the line for an angled runner to exploit. We just aren't executing well partly due to getting slow ball.
We just aren't using angles and dummy runners now though. Just a pod or individual to bash it up, repeat a few times and kick or lose possession in a ruck. The Irish showed us how to unlock a defense, but we are poorly coached to implement a game plan that works.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
That one I disagree with. A good attack from depth with different angles etc is a good tactic against rush D. The outside of the rush can have to stop dead so as not to create a gap in the line for an angled runner to exploit. We just aren't executing well partly due to getting slow ball.
I think the question is which strategy would result in more wins with the current AB's. Nearly all the recent losses have been us failing vs rush defence, hell we have been struggling with this for years. I just wonder if we should try something different as this team appears to struggle more vs rush than it succeeds.
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@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
That one I disagree with. A good attack from depth with different angles etc is a good tactic against rush D. The outside of the rush can have to stop dead so as not to create a gap in the line for an angled runner to exploit. We just aren't executing well partly due to getting slow ball.
We just aren't using angles and dummy runners now though. Just a pod or individual to bash it up, repeat a few times and kick or lose possession in a ruck. The Irish showed us how to unlock a defense, but we are poorly coached to implement a game plan that works.
FFS guys, we all get (thousands of posts later) that we are poorly coached. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't change that. What I'm more interested in is what we should be doing/ what players are missing or playing well type discussions that are at least interesting.
At the moment this board is getting to be like that boring workmate that corners you at a function and starts a conversation with 'I reckon that Foster guy is a useless coach' -
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@Winger said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I'm looking forward to this test like I haven't looked forward to a test for some time. I might even get up to see it live (rather than watch an early morning replay) Something I haven't done for years.
I'll be up. Going through these times is all part of following sport.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
“In attack, the depth with which the All Blacks are trying to play sets them up to struggle against the best rush defences"
That one I disagree with. A good attack from depth with different angles etc is a good tactic against rush D. The outside of the rush can have to stop dead so as not to create a gap in the line for an angled runner to exploit. We just aren't executing well partly due to getting slow ball.
We just aren't using angles and dummy runners now though. Just a pod or individual to bash it up, repeat a few times and kick or lose possession in a ruck. The Irish showed us how to unlock a defense, but we are poorly coached to implement a game plan that works.
FFS guys, we all get (thousands of posts later) that we are poorly coached. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't change that. What I'm more interested in is what we should be doing/ what players are missing or playing well type discussions that are at least interesting.
At the moment this board is getting to be like that boring workmate that corners you at a function and starts a conversation with 'I reckon that Foster guy is a useless coach'You could just not read those posts.......
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This negativity around the All Blacks supporters make me worry. The real supporter will stick behind his team when the going gets tough. The Springbokke ain't good with the favourites tag. It's test day and hopefully a day to appreciate the real rugby rivalry between the two greatest rugby nations. Understand that even Ramaphosa will attend this great test.
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@OomPB we still support them, just frustrates us no end the fact that fans can see how disorganised and predictable they are, yet our coach is clearly out of his depth and showing zero signs of improvement.
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@taniwharugby Boet we had Piet Snor and Allister Coetzee and even now the Springboks play an ugly dull brand of rugby. Can't blame the coaching for everything.
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@OomPB I think alot of what is wrong right now, is on the coaching, maybe not all on Foster, but our defence is rubbish, our attack is impotent and even our counter, broken field stuff is poor right now, so many of the errors, IMO come back to players lacking in confidence or belief in themselves and one another, lack of clarity...surely you can see how dysfunctional they are, on both sides of the ball...you still played some good code under those coaches, we have played pretty poorly most of the time under this coaching regime, just an unstructured mess hoping a moment from Beaudy or Ardie or Reece or Jordan will be enough.
I think this team can still beat the Bokke, but do we have the gameplan and structure to beat them, that is another thing.
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@taniwharugby I mean it's pretty obvious it is. Just look at the Maori vs Ireland....we have the players and even coaches who know what they're doing.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I just want to have fun again.
I want to feel.
You could bet your balls on the Boks winning?
