Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Frye said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
they've gone for the hail mary move which is to select Clarke
I think Clarke is who they always intended to pick. This is the first Test this year he's been fit to play
One wing being a power winger, one wing being a second fullback is a good balance. Clarke is much much faster than the other power option (LF) and he has some special aerial skills. I expect to see him used during kickoffs
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
hpe to fuck Jordan or Reiko have blinders on the counter, or Savea magics up some points to make up for the errors. Or we are boned.
If that is how we win, I will be pissed. A win by individual genius might save Foster's arse with no actually coaching improvements. I hope we win, and it is a concerted team effort, with excellent shape and tactics - which could possibly point to an improvement that will work if continued to RWC. If not, I hope we get smashed, pull the plaster, lance the boil, get the pain over quickly rather than more individual pieces of magic papering over huge Foster sized cracks.
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@ARHS said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Both surprised and disappointed to see Reece out of the lineup and Clarke in. But I thought he might be 23.
I remain sceptical about our choices at 12 and 6. Let's hope that both step up for 80 minutes and spark us to a victory.From the initial pre-Ireland squad naming I wanted Clarke ahead of Reece but with Reece on the bench.
Because our other areas aren't settled (midfield) a wing reserve would be a luxury. We are in a bit of a tangle personnel wise in the backs, a bit like the forwards. Trying to find spots for the 'better players' such as Ioane and Jordan, a bit like fitting Savea into the forwards.
At some point (probably not with these coaches/selectors) we need to put the best person in place for each position rather than squeezing them in.
We cant play Clarke and Reece without dropping Jordan or Jordie to the bench. Likewise when ALB is back then keeping Rieko on the field means someone else getting dropped. -
@Machpants yeah...in love for us to pin them in their own 22 for long periods and score after sustained dominance.....and to win lotto
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
He did versus SA1 last year, when everyone else shat the bed under the high ball. Sure 4 years ago, I was there, but bollox recently. Want great last few games, but not many were
Yeah, he ended up having to cover the entire back 3 that game, sprinting around catching all of the high balls because everyone else was dropping them. Hard for players that get thrown in the deep end early in their career to get rid of their "error prone" reputation after an understandably shaky start.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
He did versus SA1 last year, when everyone else shat the bed under the high ball. Sure 4 years ago, I was there, but bollox recently. Want great last few games, but not many were
Speaking of SA1 last year - someone else who did great in that game was Sotutu off of the bench.
Since that game he's played against USA and Italy...... that's it.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
He did versus SA1 last year, when everyone else shat the bed under the high ball. Sure 4 years ago, I was there, but bollox recently. Want great last few games, but not many were
Speaking of SA1 last year - someone else who did great in that game was Sotutu off of the bench.
Since that game he's played against USA and Italy...... that's it.
Sotutu is a bit of an enigma at times and I wonder if he's got a knack of not doing well at the wrong times. Like making mistakes in training just as selectors are chatting on the sideline about possibly adding him in.
When he had games in NPC last year you wouldn't have thought he was a rated Super player let alone an AB at times. Was very hot and cold. Then he looks like a diamond in some Super games. Perhaps there are concerns about his consistency which seems a bit at odds to the licence for inconsistency given to some established players (like a certain hooker from the south) -
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
This wouldn't be so much of an issue if he was kicking 100% of his kicks for goal, was using his boot to greater effect to win the territorial battle. He doesn't have to be overly creative, but he needs to inject himself into the attack more effectively. Be defensively sound. Like Mils used to do.
Like he did after playing a lot of rugby at fullback. Unfortunately, he's played most of this year at 12 hasn't he?
Yep. That foray into the midfield has had a negative showing on his play at XV. I'd be happy at the moment to bench him if we had a decent goalkicker elsewhere.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
This wouldn't be so much of an issue if he was kicking 100% of his kicks for goal, was using his boot to greater effect to win the territorial battle. He doesn't have to be overly creative, but he needs to inject himself into the attack more effectively. Be defensively sound. Like Mils used to do.
Like he did after playing a lot of rugby at fullback. Unfortunately, he's played most of this year at 12 hasn't he?
Yep. That foray into the midfield has had a negative showing on his play at XV. I'd be happy at the moment to bench him if we had a decent goalkicker elsewhere.
More sense would be for him to be inplace of Havili, he's a better bet. I have no faith at all in Havili, ultimate flat track bully in the midfield. At least Jordie hit the line with some venom verus the Irish
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kev said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Wish they would play Jordan at 15. The problem is BB is a crap goal kicker so his brother has to play.
BB is on borrowed time if he keeps trotting out nothing but aimless midfield bombs.
At least they improved the front row.
I think against the Boks, Jordie is your man at fullback. We’ll need his long kicking game and he’s our best back under the high ball. I’d be trying Jordan at fullback versus the Argies.
Jordie biggest issue is can he get through 80 minutes with a low error rate and without a major brain explosion
This wouldn't be so much of an issue if he was kicking 100% of his kicks for goal, was using his boot to greater effect to win the territorial battle. He doesn't have to be overly creative, but he needs to inject himself into the attack more effectively. Be defensively sound. Like Mils used to do.
Like he did after playing a lot of rugby at fullback. Unfortunately, he's played most of this year at 12 hasn't he?
Yep. That foray into the midfield has had a negative showing on his play at XV. I'd be happy at the moment to bench him if we had a decent goalkicker elsewhere.
He started the year at FB. Took some time before being moved to 2nd5. And even after moving still played at times at FB
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@Machpants
jordie didn't set the world on fire at 2nd 5. Prefer him at FB unless he moves in full time for the canes and ABs -
@Winger said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants
jordie didn't set the world on fire at 2nd 5. Prefer him at FB unless he moves in full time for the canes and ABsTrue but he won't get outmuscled like havili has been. He can kick, distribute, his defence is ok, he's a better player all round than havili. Also has a higher ceiling if we stick with him there, Jordan too fullback is a positive, too. The ABs gameplan had things which don't suit the team chosen, lots of kicking by Beaudy, for example. Another piece of the foster genius is havili hitting it up at 12, with absolutely no impact. Well the impact being going backwards and possible turn overs
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Winger said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants
jordie didn't set the world on fire at 2nd 5. Prefer him at FB unless he moves in full time for the canes and ABsAnother piece of the foster genius is havili hitting it up at 12, with absolutely no impact. Well the impact being going backwards and possible turn overs
Will be interested to see if that was Moar genius or Foster genius - I'm intrigued (but not overly hopeful) about what we'll see from the backline this match.
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Frye Possible advantage but Iaone is athletic and to my knowledge has always been a good lineout option. Some on here seem to forget this.
Yes I was wondering how he compares in the lineout against Frizell.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Winger said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants
jordie didn't set the world on fire at 2nd 5. Prefer him at FB unless he moves in full time for the canes and ABsTrue but he won't get outmuscled like havili has been. He can kick, distribute, his defence is ok, he's a better player all round than havili. Also has a higher ceiling if we stick with him there, Jordan too fullback is a positive, too. The ABs gameplan had things which don't suit the team chosen, lots of kicking by Beaudy, for example. Another piece of the foster genius is Havili hitting it up at 12, with absolutely no impact. Well the impact being going backwards and possible turn overs
Well if Jordie goes to 12 I assume Jordan goes to 15 and we need another winger. But since they benched Reece it looks like we have more inform wingers than 12s!
I do worry that Havili will have his confidence knocked again. He looked gun shy in earlier tests when they kept playing him at 12 then giving him hospital passes.
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@Duluth said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Frye said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
they've gone for the hail mary move which is to select Clarke
I think Clarke is who they always intended to pick. This is the first Test this year he's been fit to play
One wing being a power winger, one wing being a second fullback is a good balance. Clarke is much much faster than the other power option (LF) and he has some special aerial skills. I expect to see him used during kickoffs
Clarke is a better all round power winger than Fainga’anuku who is still improving and rounding out his game. If Clarke is fit he’s first choice in 11 jersey.
I know a lot of peeps are calling for Jordan for 15 and I agree he’s the form 15 in NZ. It’s just against the Boks, Jordie is a better fit to blunt their kicking game.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Winger said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Machpants
jordie didn't set the world on fire at 2nd 5. Prefer him at FB unless he moves in full time for the canes and ABsTrue but he won't get outmuscled like havili has been. He can kick, distribute, his defence is ok, he's a better player all round than havili. Also has a higher ceiling if we stick with him there, Jordan too fullback is a positive, too. The ABs gameplan had things which don't suit the team chosen, lots of kicking by Beaudy, for example. Another piece of the foster genius is havili hitting it up at 12, with absolutely no impact. Well the impact being going backwards and possible turn overs
Agree Jordie move to 12 would’ve been preferable but TBH it’s too late now with RWC next year. He’s at 15 who can play 14 and cover 12 if there are injuries.
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I think it is "put your neck on the line and make some predictions" time for this game.
I'll start:
It will transpire that the AB's are actually much better than currently being credited.
And if they beat the Boks, the northern hemisphere scribes will deliriously pontificate on how the power in rugby has shifted up north and the World Cup is going to be a battle between Ireland, England and France. -
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
I think it is "put your neck on the line and make some predictions" time for this game.
I'll start:
It will transpire that the AB's are actually much better than currently being credited.
And if they beat the Boks, the northern hemisphere scribes will deliriously pontificate on how the power in rugby has shifted up north and the World Cup is going to be a battle between Ireland, England and France.Conversely, maybe Ireland are actually pretty good?
