Springboks v All Blacks I
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Gregor Paul is on point. Clearly we need new players.
There is nothing now that can happen to convince anyone in New Zealand – anyone who knows the game – that the All Blacks are going to miraculously improve without a total and brutal clean-out and reset.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
What also concerns me is my total lack of emotion over the result, yes, I am disappointed but nowhere near how I used to feel when we lost. I think I have come to terms with the fact that we just aren't good enough.
I was listening to an interview with tawera Kerr - Barlow on senz,
He was saying you have to be over here in France to see what they are brewing, so much depth and talent , putting all their kids through coaching academies , they now have a mental edge that is very different to what we are used to with them , basically saying in his opinion, they now are on a different level to us and everyone else, clearly number 1 ,
If he is right , it gets worse , we are losing to Ireland and South Africa right now , not France .
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We did seem to want to hold onto the ball more tonight, but we were so limp with the ball we went nowhere. So often a player caught the ball flat footed and just ran into a wall. The time we did break the D with Jordan it was an inside ball very similar to Ireland. We just look deft of ideas and simply cannot get any go forward. We again struggled to exit our half and most times we kicked back we had no chasers and they simply kicked us back into the corners. We got totally schooled tonight and it was downright embarrassing. If that was the best performance of the year we truly are fucked.
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@Stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Anyway, next game the Springboks will be without Kolbe and Arendse.
The All Blacks are likely to be without BB.I hope their* injuries aren't too bad.
(*BB and Arendse)
I wonder if they will have their halfback playing?
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We need tactics that include kicking for territory when moving forward with the ball. And a first five that can kick. Way too much of the first 40 minutes of most test matches we play is in our half. Maybe when we dominated other teams with turnover rugby that was ok, but it is no longer the case. Kicking game was better in 2nd half.
So much of our passing game was actually very good. But executed under great pressure at the wrong parts of the field.
Our aerial game whether chasing or defending is not good enough.
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Very strange watching an AB test and knowing we had lost after 20mins. I felt Australian at scrum time hoping not to get penalised.
Only ST and SB in the tight five played approaching anything close to “good”. Coles was worse than Taylor. Frizzel a waste of space, 20 minutes for 2 tackles, one miss and can’t catch a ball. . Whitelock a lineout specialist and missing around the field. Ardie exposed again against a physical side and Cane was completely ineffective. Akira was fine, good at lineout, and worked hard but not getting anywhere.
Our forwards got completely dominated.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
What also concerns me is my total lack of emotion over the result, yes, I am disappointed but nowhere near how I used to feel when we lost. I think I have come to terms with the fact that we just aren't good enough.
It would appear there will be no easy way back. There was greater effort from the team but we couldn't break down the saffa defence. Too often the cameras failed to show if they were offside, but either way the officials let it go. Same problems with the breakdown and basic errors. Covid19 caused us to be insular in so many ways and it hasn't helped our rugby. The two breaks I can remember were from in passes to Clarke and Jordan, too often we were intent on passing out to the sideline where we were bundled out. The result was unsurprising, and I'm numb to it now
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Very strange watching an AB test and knowing we had lost after 20mins. I felt Australian at scrum time hoping not to get penalised.
Only ST and SB in the tight five played approaching anything close to “good”. Coles was worse than Taylor. Frizzel a waste of space, 20 minutes for 2 tackles, one miss and can’t catch a ball. . Whitelock a lineout specialist and missing around the field. Ardie exposed again against a physical side and Cane was completely ineffective. Akira was fine, good at lineout, and worked hard but not getting anywhere.
Our forwards got completely dominated.
You couldn’t save that Akira was effective either.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Gregor Paul is on point. Clearly we need new players.
There is nothing now that can happen to convince anyone in New Zealand – anyone who knows the game – that the All Blacks are going to miraculously improve without a total and brutal clean-out and reset.
For me it’s the tactical approach. We were trying to run our way of trouble. You have to change that. Then pick players to execute that.
Clearly the Coach has to go, and some of the players are on borrowed time.
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@kiwiinmelb It puts into question a deeper issue of player development. NZ sport and NZRU have not been keen to go down a specialisation route, keeping it to the provinces etc... it caught up on the NZ7s who centralised after some poor results. The 20s programme it has also caught up with 6 Nations, Arggies and SA having a more centralised national development programme. I guess do we move to that development model that is working for other nations (But most research would suggest is not good for players) or stick with the model we run currently? If we look at our team now apart from possible coaching issues can we say we have world-class players and players coming through who will drastically change the future course of ABs? A conundrum we are in..
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@kiwiinmelb It puts into question a deeper issue of player development. NZ sport and NZRU have not been keen to go down a specialisation route, keeping it to the provinces etc... it caught up on the NZ7s who centralised after some poor results. The 20s programme it has also caught up with 6 Nations, Arggies and SA having a more centralised national development programme. I guess do we move to that development model that is working for other nations (But most research would suggest is not good for players) or stick with the model we run currently? If we look at our team now apart from possible coaching issues can we say we have world-class players and players coming through who will drastically change the future course of ABs? A conundrum we are in..
Change the game plan to one that fits the players available. Not one that worked with players in the past.
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Got me beat what is happening, obviously some changes will have to be made, but Boks creamed us in forwards, and backs in midfield etc look lost. Will Jordan even looks like he needs to go to 15 or out of team, he almost looks like a petulant schoolboy at moment and seems unhappy at 14 so is not going to compete for ball in air, look for work or anything. I not saying in reality is what he is, just how it looks at moment, and I a real fan of his. Just one of the many things that crossed my mind during game. Forwards just not listening or working hard enough to get on shgoulders of ball carriers has got me beat! Still I will see what happens next week, which I guess is what I always do anyway lol!
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@98blueandgold I think there are a few things not working that well for us ,
Even our super rugby comp playing Australian and pacific teams in a style that we are very comfortable with , doesn’t prepare us well for test rugby , it’s like stepping away from that to a crash course in a fortnight camp to play a different code of football .
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@98blueandgold I think there are a few things not working that well for us ,
Even our super rugby comp playing Australian and pacific teams in a style that we are very comfortable with , doesn’t prepare us well for test rugby , it’s like stepping away from that to a crash course in a fortnight camp to play a different code of football .
Isolation has not worked in our favour in this regard
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This performance was fit for a Benny Hill sound track.
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@JC said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
What exactly did Ardie say to Gardiner that wound him up so much?
Edit, talking about when BB had just been poleaxed
Be good to know. Foster made the point that the Boks throw bodies in the air. Jumping into the contact zone. But if the defender is doing the same Gardiner ruled it 50 / 50 - the important point is that if you are in the air first you own the space. The other option of the defender is that remain relatively static with the risk the attacker with momentum jumps over the top of them. The ABs did a lot of that when defending.
Maybe we should treat it like a lineout. Get back lift our guy into the air and hold him up. We won nothing in the air apart from red card at the end.
