Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
They've been doing it for years. At least Habana used to put his hand up at least when jumping.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
I don't think the Bok player jumped to be fair.
The replay showed the Bok player left his feet
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Putting aside the issue of clean out (and not to in any way ignore its significance), apart from a stand out effort from Marx, AB forwards stood up well to comparison.
I thought our locks shaded it. Props so so, but Bok props tailed off after first scrum. PSDT very muted, and Wiese ineffective. Even Kolisi didn't for me outshine Cane.
The backs were the difference, even though Bok backs individually very meh. They had a clear plan to kick most of the time, and with our contesting being pants there was no reason to stop. Probably responsible for the win.
As for AB backs, to me they just seem muddled. Couldn't identify a focus on breaking on inside or to the outside.
If Jordan was a racehorse I'd suspect doping.
Jordie seems well off Super form. Richie seems to have the best boot at the mo.But at root, there is no discernible cohesion between 12 and 13. Compare Boks who have had same 10/12/13 for majority of games since 2019 RWC.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Stag said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All Blacks terrible again and absolutely deserved to lose. But the Boks tactics at the high ball all game lead to the Barrett incident at the end. They have clearly been coached to jump for the high ball with the intent to knock the opposition out of the way and the officials let them away with it. And the end result was the red card incident.
I don't think the Bok player jumped to be fair.
He did. He just didn't get any height because he got his takeoff point all wrong. That's what happens when you aren't looking at the ball and actually trying to contest.
He got away with one in first half against J Barrett. Watch it again. He didn't look at the ball at all. Just jumped to put off the AB catcher and interfere to force the knock on.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Awesome Silverlake timing
Maybe the NZRU saw this coming, hence why the deal got forced through so quickly 😉
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
Hansen in his wisdom chose Francis Saili over him.... Saili wasn't even starting for the Blues at the time.....
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
He wasn't good enough 8 years ago.
Question is, what happened with the development of NZ's midfield options in 8 years.
ALB and Goodbye have been injured, but where are the other options?
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
He wasn't good enough 8 years ago.
Question is, what happened with the development of NZ's midfield options in 8 years.
ALB and Goodbye have been injured, but where are the other options?
In fact, it's hard not to believe that ALB and Jack would go a long way to putting this right. Once Jack injured the options were limited this time.
If one wants targets then U-Js are probably next cabs on rank.
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One thing I noticed is they are obviously got some issues with culture. Maybe I'm overstating it but after Ireland game we were not connected and together after the game or during it, this game there seemed to be an emphasis on celebrating say scrum wins, while after the game they came together for the huddle, incl all non-players. Issues maybe deep rooted. seemed a little forced from outside looking in. In comparison Sth Africa looked like they were best of
mates, lots of emotion, like Ireland... -
Brodie was missed big time in my book… but will take the win even after Gardner transgressions considered. We were flat mostly but powered through the time against some very flat AB play…. I kept waiting for the spark…Not sure Foster the only issue at the moment and thought Cane played out his skin. Ellis Park next week will hopefully not get too messy but both teams have loads to improve on-
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@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate. And get a halfback who can organize that. Smith, should be dropped because he is not doing that.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Bundee Aki currently loitering up in Ireland would walk into the team and he was a cast off about 8 years ago.
Hansen in his wisdom chose Francis Saili over him.... Saili wasn't even starting for the Blues at the time.....
Now Stade Francais have flicked Ngani for Francais.
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
Surely not Pick n'Go?
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
Forwards were better today in some areas than in Irish series. Lineout went well, scrums were evenly matched as game went on, maul defence was good mostly. Pick and goes worked at times too. Another week with Ryan and they may get better.
ABs gave away too many penalties today and conceded too much territory and pressure. Boks just had to wait for a one out runner to get isolated or a mistake or a brain fade.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
apparently his family haven't settled.
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
didn't he have a ridiculous try scoring ratio for allblacks?
8 tries in 15 games at 12.
