Foster, Robertson etc

Chester Draws

Foster has learned nothing. We will be back to players out of position, favourites never dropped, a backline relying on individual brilliance etc.

Did he tell you this? Or are you just speculating?

You think after two decades, the one win will change who he is and how he works?

Foster has played players out of their natural position for three years now. He has always had locked in favourites. His game plans have always involved very little structure (the players said as much only a couple of weeks ago). There's no need to speculate. It is who he is.

Changes only occur when forced on him.

I suppose he cares about the results, but I also believe he thinks that the bad ones are not his fault. He certainly refuses to take any substantial blame for them. Losses seem to just wash off him.

He's head coach who is willing to take the applause after a good win, and use it to keep his job, but not happy to take the blame after a bad loss.

Foster's record includes multiple times where his teams have been truly dreadful. But he keeps turning up for the next year. He doesn't seem to link his results to his coaching.

Nepia

@Crucial said in Foster:

a plan and that was to select honest workers over flashy stars, give them an opportunity and set them to work.

I don't even think that necessarily true, the over part at least, if he could get a flashy star he would and he'd use them - Cruden, Messam, SBW, Kahui, TKB, TNW etc. But agree he built the team around them with honest workers and Hawkes Bay power .

pukunui

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Crucial

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Proof is in the pudding surely. Players said they weren’t up to it. Head coach said they weren’t up to it. Replacements were.
I’d lay low if I was them and pretend they were victims of a refocus

BartMan

@chchfanatic said in Foster:

@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.

I also heard that on the Wednesday before test everything was in place, severance pays organized, press conferences, and new players all ready to be put into place.

And then we won with a pretty bloody good performance. Screwed all the plans up.

We can just hope that NZRU have told Razor that post RWC you have the keys, 4 years, do your thing. I don't think we'll win the RWC, whoever is coaching, so it may be a good think that Razor gets a new canvass to work on, and 4 seasons to do it.

KiwiMurph

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Foster stood by them and kept them for this year when they got reviewed badly in the past 2 seasons.

Winger

@Crucial said in Foster:

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Proof is in the pudding surely. Players said they weren’t up to it. Head coach said they weren’t up to it. Replacements were.
I’d lay low if I was them and pretend they were victims of a refocus

According to the media. And it gets worse over time. Sacked coaches are unable to defend themselves. All they can do is wait too see how the team goes with this new coaching team. If great their reputation is gone

pukunui

@Crucial said in Foster:

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Proof is in the pudding surely. Players said they weren’t up to it. Head coach said they weren’t up to it. Replacements were.
I’d lay low if I was them and pretend they were victims of a refocus

And his record says Foster “isn’t up to it”.
But he survived partly by knifing his assistants. ie shifting the blame onto them.

I doubt Mooar or Plumtree thought they weren’t up to it. It would be interesting to know what their opinions of the situation are. Very unlikely we find out any time soon though. Maybe it will be in a auto biography one day.

KiwiMurph

@pukunui said in Foster:

@Crucial said in Foster:

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Proof is in the pudding surely. Players said they weren’t up to it. Head coach said they weren’t up to it. Replacements were.
I’d lay low if I was them and pretend they were victims of a refocus

And his record says Foster “isn’t up to it”.
But he survived partly by knifing his assistants. ie shifting the blame onto them.

I doubt Mooar or Plumtree thought they weren’t up to it. It would be interesting to know what their opinions of the situation are. Very unlikely we find out any time soon though. Maybe it will be in a auto biography one day.

Obviously the sample size is small but looking at the Boks game there has already been improvements in the forwards (Plumtree's area) and the backs attack (I believe was Mooar's area?) plus this

Stuff understands the player feedback on Plumtree and Mooar had been consistent for a couple of years, without action from the NZ Rugby board.

Crucial

@Winger said in Foster:

Sacked coaches are unable to defend themselves.

Why not?

Mainly because it would put the spotlight on them and they would lose the argument probably.

I'm not exonerating Foster for anything here, just pointing out that these guys contributed to the problems, the players called it out and the head coach supported them as long as he could without losing his own job. Not sure why they are being painted as victims here.

ACT Crusader

Stuff understands the player feedback on Plumtree and Mooar had been consistent for a couple of years, without action from the NZ Rugby board.

@KiwiMurph that sort of info doesn’t fall off the back of a truck. So Stuff obviously has a sauce that is willingly to stitch up the assistants…

Winger

@Crucial maybe because the reporting isn't a fair reflection of player feedback. And so far it's only one test out of 2. If at year end the team is playing much better then fair enough

pukunui

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

@pukunui said in Foster:

@Crucial said in Foster:

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Proof is in the pudding surely. Players said they weren’t up to it. Head coach said they weren’t up to it. Replacements were.
I’d lay low if I was them and pretend they were victims of a refocus

And his record says Foster “isn’t up to it”.
But he survived partly by knifing his assistants. ie shifting the blame onto them.

I doubt Mooar or Plumtree thought they weren’t up to it. It would be interesting to know what their opinions of the situation are. Very unlikely we find out any time soon though. Maybe it will be in a auto biography one day.

Obviously the sample size is small but looking at the Boks game there has already been improvements in the forwards (Plumtree's area) and the backs attack (I believe was Mooar's area?) plus this
Stuff understands the player feedback on Plumtree and Mooar had been consistent for a couple of years, without action from the NZ Rugby board.

Yeah, Im not suggesting that these guys were doing a good job. Just wondering whether they are happy to cop the majority of the blame and get sacked while Foster dodges the bullets and survives.
Were they not working to Fosters plans? If so why did he keep them there for so long in the face of poor reviews from players?

ACT Crusader

@Rapido said in Foster:

here we go .....

2014 NPC semi, Nick Briant stitched us up…

pukunui

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:

Stuff understands the player feedback on Plumtree and Mooar had been consistent for a couple of years, without action from the NZ Rugby board.

@KiwiMurph that sort of info doesn’t fall off the back of a truck. So Stuff obviously has a sauce that is willingly to stitch up the assistants…

There was action from the NZR board. It’s just that the action was to extend their contracts 2 years. What a mess.

chchfanatic

@BartMan 100% correct

Chris B.

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:

@Rapido said in Foster:

here we go .....

2014 NPC semi, Nick Briant stitched us up…

I think that was Kieron Fonotia's finest hour. He had a young Jack Goodhue on toast.

We'd smashed your boys in ChCh earlier that year as well.

A coulda/shoulda won season. Tom Marshall didn't hear the final whistle in the round robin vs Taranaki, when all we needed to do was kick it out to win. He didn't, they turned it over, scored, won and got a home final on the strength of it.

taniwharugby

@pukunui said in Foster:

Just wondering whether they are happy to cop the majority of the blame and get sacked while Foster dodges the bullets and survives.

I doubt they were happy at all, but I expect they got a bit of cash as they were pushed out the door.

Crucial

@pukunui said in Foster:

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
@pukunui said in Foster:

@Crucial said in Foster:

@pukunui said in Foster:

It would be very interesting to find out what Plumtree and Mooar think about the whole thing.

Getting thrown under the bus and having your replacements be held up as saviours of your teflon coated ex boss can’t be the most enjoyable experience.

Proof is in the pudding surely. Players said they weren’t up to it. Head coach said they weren’t up to it. Replacements were.
I’d lay low if I was them and pretend they were victims of a refocus

And his record says Foster “isn’t up to it”.
But he survived partly by knifing his assistants. ie shifting the blame onto them.

I doubt Mooar or Plumtree thought they weren’t up to it. It would be interesting to know what their opinions of the situation are. Very unlikely we find out any time soon though. Maybe it will be in a auto biography one day.

Obviously the sample size is small but looking at the Boks game there has already been improvements in the forwards (Plumtree's area) and the backs attack (I believe was Mooar's area?) plus this
Stuff understands the player feedback on Plumtree and Mooar had been consistent for a couple of years, without action from the NZ Rugby board.
Yeah, Im not suggesting that these guys were doing a good job. Just wondering whether they are happy to cop the majority of the blame and get sacked while Foster dodges the bullets and survives.
Were they not working to Fosters plans? If so why did he keep them there for so long in the face of poor reviews from players?

Have they really copped the blame though? Foster was copping all the blame but has saved himself by finally being willing to make changes, and in doing so, got a good win.
Most will see that they were replaced by better options not as the cause.

ACT Crusader

@Chris-B said in Foster:

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:

@Rapido said in Foster:

here we go .....

2014 NPC semi, Nick Briant stitched us up…

I think that was Kieron Fonotia's finest hour. He had a young Jack Goodhue on toast.

We'd smashed your boys in ChCh earlier that year as well.

A coulda/shoulda won season. Tom Marshall didn't hear the final whistle in the round robin vs Taranaki, when all we needed to do was kick it out to win. He didn't, they turned it over, scored, won and got a home final on the strength of it.

It was a very good final. The best I’d seen the likes of Marty McKenzie and Chris Smylie play. I think Naki still had the Irish Maori halfback still playing for them too.

But we digress.

The Silver Fern

Foster, Robertson etc