Foster, Robertson etc
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@Higgins said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Donsteppa But even he had a less than convincing series against the Paddies.
Shane Jurgensen was the stand-in head coach for this series. Stead also being rested along with some of the players. As much as the close results were a bit of a heart stopper (a) they were still wins, and (b) they'd have to do that for two decades to get near Foster's level of kill-joy-ness...
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
Their players are not necessarily better. But by god their team is.
They also have a fantastic culture and leadership group
NZ led the way on this. Others followed. Then improved on it.
Time for NZRU to take some lessons from others and build again.
Before we had a player run team we had headmaster Ted dictating things. The player leadership group from 2011 to 2015 was chock full of GOATs. The current lot are a shadow of those guys and a firmer hand is required
Yep. It works if you have the right type of leaders. NZ doesn't seem to have that calibre of leader, Whitelock excepted. So the coach has to fill that void and provide...leadership.
I think this series has also shown that NZ really lack a game managing 10. I think if you swapped Barrett and Sexton round, NZ would have had better direction. Barrett is a phenomenal player, but how many times now has he failed to manage his backline and drive the ABs round the pitch?
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If offered the job this week, which coaches do you think would want it?
Looked like Gatland put his oar in earlier this week.
A series win would ensure Farrell's men go into the World Cup next year as serious contenders. But it will be even more critical for the All Blacks. Another defeat and the clamour for change may be hard to ignore.
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@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
Twenty years of Ian Foster in charge of rugby teams that I support. No wonder 90% of my sports watching is now cricket.
Hope ya don't support ND or BOP rugby then if you just want your team to win..
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
So the coach has to fill that void and provide...leadership.
Not on-field, he can't. That's up to the Captain and senior players as a group. But he can support them and read the riot act to them if necessary, though
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@hydro11 said in Foster must go:
It's hard to accept that that Irish team should beat us in a series at home. They really shouldn't based on talent. However, they are just much smarter than us.
I think we make a mistake by focusing too much on Foster. I don't really understand why Laulala did that in his own 22 in the first half. An Irish prop doesn't do that. They know better. That's a fundamental error in the way we play rugby as a nation - not just down to Foster.
But, yes, Foster must go.
And why are the Irish smarter than us? Where are the skills coming from within the AB coaching set up to make us smarter?
We have Feek (scrums), Plumtree (forwards) and Mooar (attack) which were supplemented by Strawbridge (skills coach) with Mike Cron brought back to assist Feek and Plumtree and Schmidt brought into assist Foster. There should be some brains amongst that group surely? Or is it an acknowledgement that bring in Cron/Schmidt who have been effectively retired for 3 years might just drag the skill sets towards current tactics speak volumes about what the coaching team are capable of?
Personally, if I was Foster and the NZRFU brought in Cron and Schmidt to "assist" I'd assume the exit door was half way open. Or at least just a historic series loss away. Or that may just be me being optimistic and Fosters long term plan of going into the RWC as a genuine underdog is still on track?
For me, the biggest issue with Foster has been not just his individual short comings but that his coaching team was such a step down from the previous coaching team and he couldn't attract any of the acknowledged talent that was out there. You don't build a successful organisation by promoting all of your average employees - they have to have some clear talent to allow those underneath them to respect them and work hard.
The other surprise is that Caleb Ralph appears to be involved in coaching in Australia and Foster hasn't added him to Fosters coaching team to round it out and re-unite him with Feek while giving everyone aside from a few Cantabs someone to direct their anger at in-place of Foster. Or was Foster worried that such an injection of talent would make a difference and highlight the real issue?
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@ARHS said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
Twenty years of Ian Foster in charge of rugby teams that I support. No wonder 90% of my sports watching is now cricket.
Hope ya don't support ND or BOP rugby then if you just want your team to win..
The All Blacks had always been the reliable one in any given year of ND, BoP, Chiefs, Black Caps, White Ferns, and Warriors games...!
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
If offered the job this week, which coaches do you think would want it?
Schmidt. Would slot in easily as he knows the current set-up and players and has a track record with Ireland. Got the best out his Irish squad and built a great culture.
Would meet the (understandable) NZR requirement of continuity while being a pretty fresh broom with a proven track record at Test level.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
Would meet the (understandable) NZR requirement of continuity while being a pretty fresh broom with a proven track record at Test level.
Before 2007 we had a slash and burn mentality. Continuity was the right decision then. But this isn't 2007, the GH/Shag coaching tree has outlived its time. Burn it all down
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@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
Their players are not necessarily better. But by god their team is.
They also have a fantastic culture and leadership group
NZ led the way on this. Others followed. Then improved on it.
Time for NZRU to take some lessons from others and build again.
Before we had a player run team we had headmaster Ted dictating things. The player leadership group from 2011 to 2015 was chock full of GOATs. The current lot are a shadow of those guys and a firmer hand is required
And even with a team full of GOATs, they went out and played a clear game plan rather than just leaving it to talented individuals under Ted and Hansen. Giving players a clear role allows them to develop the skills for that role rather than making something up each week..
How many times has Fosters team lost and there have been calls for the AB's to have a "Plan B" to break down the opposition? We don't even have a "Plan A".
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
Would meet the (understandable) NZR requirement of continuity while being a pretty fresh broom with a proven track record at Test level.
Before 2007 we had a slash and burn mentality. Continuity was the right decision then. But this isn't 2007, the GH/Shag coaching tree has outlived its time. Burn it all down
He'd give NZR the continuity figleaf. Need to pick his own assistants for sure and be give a pretty free hand.
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew Do you think he wants to be a head coach? He'd be my pick if he does.
I haven't a clue. But who wouldn't want to coach the All Blacks and not just be a mentor? Persuade him to take over until RWC2023 for starters
He'd be a safe pair of hands and then be able hand over to Rennie, Jesus, Joseph or another assistant.
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@Chris said in Foster must go:
We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.
Yep, we'll probably have to wait until the Quarter Final exit before anyone in the NZRU admits making a mistake.
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@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
We all know Foster is staying as HC to after the WC,NZR are not going to admit their big mistake of reappointing Foster after the NH tour.
Yep, we'll probably have to wait until the Quarter Final exit before anyone in the NZRU admits making a mistake.
There is going to be a lot of pain.
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