Foster, Robertson etc
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
There's only two ways you become AB coach.
- You have a record of sustained winning at the highest level and bring in some new ideas. There is inevitably high expectations for what you will achieve. You will have some passionate cheer-leaders, and some detractors.
Didn't apply to Hansen either. But he was one of our most remarkable coaches - kept the Henry era going for another cycle.
He coached Wales with some distinction didn't he?
Hansen at least won a couple of NPCs.
Foster's literally never won any championship until the TRC -- which has only one competitive opponent in it.
So Foster has only won an international series, more than once, and has only one competitive oponent? You mean SA who has been beaten by Japan, or Australia , or Argentina.
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I can understand Cane being involved. And maybe Ardie as who knows the way Robertson would go. He might have found himself as a reserve
And Smith is at the end of his career and would prefer what he knows. But why Whitelock?
Maybe, just maybe they were saying what they thought, and were being honest?
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Number-10 love for razors side to come out. It will one day. First he has world cups to win. Wether it’s with the all blacks or England.
Why is NZR putting so much weight on Schmidt’s opinion. What has he ever won. If anyone listened to razors interview on Senz the other morning , then they’ll agree he’s the man for the job.I hope for our sake NRU have told him the job is his post RWC23.
joesph /brown/mitchel sounds good
I never ever want Mitchell anywhere near the ABs ever again.
So Billy, I guess you going to have to stand for NZR board position so your want can be taken into consideration?
There be a lot of us on here probably need to do same thing, if only they will make space for us?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
I hope they keep Foster as coach until 2030 its so amusing watching people try to defend him.
It's not people defending Foster. It's people not believing the hype that a coach who's undoubtedly good at SR level but with minimal and patchy experience at international level - and zero experience at Test level - is the magic solution to restore the AB's to the glory days, that NZR knows he will do this but there is some secret illuminati plot within NZR to prevent it happening.
So you end up with stupid arguments that Foster should be sacked as he lost to a team we've never lost to before, but a different criteria should apply to Robertson as he needs time to settle into the role due to inexperience at Test level.
International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
It's a skill that is innate & in-built for guys such as Jones, Razor, Galthie, Erasmus, etc..
Foster just doesn't have 'it', the evidence is... he has achieved underwhelming results in every head coaching role across his 20 year coaching career with Waikato, Chiefs, & now the All Blacks...
Kirwan was the head coach of Italy & Japan, he was a poor Blues coach, after coaching Wales for 12 years Gatland lost 8/8 of his Chiefs matches, their worst losing streak ever. Experience is irrelevant in many cases.
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Number-10 love for razors side to come out. It will one day. First he has world cups to win. Wether it’s with the all blacks or England.
Why is NZR putting so much weight on Schmidt’s opinion. What has he ever won. If anyone listened to razors interview on Senz the other morning , then they’ll agree he’s the man for the job.I hope for our sake NRU have told him the job is his post RWC23.
joesph /brown/mitchel sounds good
I never ever want Mitchell anywhere near the ABs ever again.
So Billy, I guess you going to have to stand for NZR board position so your want can be taken into consideration?
There be a lot of us on here probably need to do same thing, if only they will make space for us?
I’m sure the guy can coach. But don’t want a total prick in the setup. Simple as.
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@kiwi_expat looool I love Eddie. I've met him a few times, he's fucking funny.
But he's won precisely fuck all. And has a short shelf life apparently
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Not surprising he has a short shelf-life, as most good coaches have intense personalities which are conducive to achieving success in a shorter time period. (Cheika & Jones are both good examples).
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Not surprising he has a short shelf-life, as most good coaches have intense personalities which are conducive to achieving success in a shorter time period. (Cheika & Jones are both good examples).
(At international level)
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International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
That's it right there
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First you argue there's no difference between coaching success at Test and Super/Premier level as it's all down to "inate" ability, and experience at different levels doesn't matter. Then you argue there actually is a difference between coaching success at Test level and Super/Premier level - citing Gatland's record at the Chiefs.
Not too sure that's a set of arguments which is going to sway NZR's apparent policy of placing a premium on Test experience for the AB Head Coach role.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Not surprising he has a short shelf-life, as most good coaches have intense personalities which are conducive to achieving success in a shorter time period. (Cheika & Jones are both good examples).
That Graham Henry bloke must have been a really shit coach then.....
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Number-10 love for razors side to come out. It will one day. First he has world cups to win. Wether it’s with the all blacks or England.
Why is NZR putting so much weight on Schmidt’s opinion. What has he ever won. If anyone listened to razors interview on Senz the other morning , then they’ll agree he’s the man for the job.I hope for our sake NRU have told him the job is his post RWC23.
joesph /brown/mitchel sounds good
I never ever want Mitchell anywhere near the ABs ever again.
So Billy, I guess you going to have to stand for NZR board position so your want can be taken into consideration?
There be a lot of us on here probably need to do same thing, if only they will make space for us?
I’m sure the guy can coach. But don’t want a total prick in the setup. Simple as.
Fair enough mate, I never met him, so don't know what he's like.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.
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@Dan54
I disagree with this. Great ideas only go so far.
The majority of successful companies and sports teams are based on charismatic, capable individuals who others follow.
Last few years have been one big massive yawn.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.
You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.
You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.
I kind of get that Winger, but everyone that is upset can make a difference, and you don't actually have to really go on NZR, but anyone can join a club committee, even get on provincial board (hell even I have done that) and then you have a chance of your opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum and not to try and do anything better is the very thing that wears out people who do the jobs.
Take my word for it while being on either schoolboy rugby, club committtee, JAB,, provincial rugby union board, it never failed to astound me the number of people who knew what was wrong with every part of rugby (and that included who we appointed as coaches etc), most of them couldn't put down their beers, or get of their arses to actually do ANYTHING to help make game/sport any better. Now there are some that do, but it's like voting etc if we all do a little we can make things better. Mate while doing jobs I copped shit (mostly behind back etc) for appointing a coach (the other one who stood and I voted against was a very good friend), what time games were played, club fees etc etc, funnily enough after a season of things going well you hardly ever heard you had done a good job.
Probably why I don't get into the harping that a lot seem to love , you end up wearing out the people who do the jobs at even lower levels, who actually vote these people in on NZR etc. I will add it is by no means a Kiwi thing, I am surprised the game is played at all in the world with how bad all rugby boards etc seem to be. -
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
International experience has nothing to do with coaching ability, you've either got 'it' or you don't.
That's it right there
We have the wrong coach, captain and NZR are crap.So why aren't you standing for NZR board to sort it all out? Genuine question mate, I keep hearing people say how bad they are, most (and not saying you) don't even know how the board is appointed or run etc. I really think the answer is more with great ideas, need to get on rugby boards and make required changes.
You must know its not this easy. For one its about knowing our limitations. So we can see the cock-ups NZR are making. But don't have the ability (or enough energy or time) or contacts etc. (great, capable people don't always get the breaks needed to get to the top) to take over and do any better.
I kind of get that Winger, but everyone that is upset can make a difference, and you don't actually have to really go on NZR, but anyone can join a club committee, even get on provincial board (hell even I have done that) and then you have a chance of your opinion making a difference, to just moan on a fporum and not to try and do anything better is the very thing that wears out people who do the jobs.
Take my word for it while being on either schoolboy rugby, club committtee, JAB,, provincial rugby union board, it never failed to astound me the number of people who knew what was wrong with every part of rugby (and that included who we appointed as coaches etc), most of them couldn't put down their beers, or get of their arses to actually do ANYTHING to help make game/sport any better. Now there are some that do, but it's like voting etc if we all do a little we can make things better. Mate while doing jobs I copped shit (mostly behind back etc) for appointing a coach (the other one who stood and I voted against was a very good friend), what time games were played, club fees etc etc, funnily enough after a season of things going well you hardly ever heard you had done a good job.
Probably why I don't get into the harping that a lot seem to love , you end up wearing out the people who do the jobs at even lower levels, who actually vote these people in on NZR etc. I will add it is by no means a Kiwi thing, I am surprised the game is played at all in the world with how bad all rugby boards etc seem to be.Maybe some of us have done time playing,coaching being on boards selection committees etc and because they love the game and have put years into the game feel they have a right to moan when they feel it’s going to shit.
So don’t sit on your high horse and tell people what they should do when you have no idea what they have done ,
That just pisses me off.
