Foster, Robertson etc
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts! -
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him -
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Let's not let statistics get in the way of a good story.
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NZRU might need to extend the trophy cabinet if Foster keeps securing silverware at this rate.
Going purely on results - if Fozzie had won one more against Ireland and beaten Argentina, I think most people would have been happy enough with the results this season in isolation.
2-1 vs Ireland and a shared series in SA vs the World Champions would have been acceptable.
The defeats coming on the back of the EOYT losses - and especially the manner of some of them where we were significantly outplayed put the cat among the pigeons.
I think we're definitely better for the coaching changes, but we've got a way to go before we're anything but outsiders for RWC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
Changing coaching seems to have worked then,I wonder how better we would have been if Foster had gone as well,The assistants seem to be turning it around not the HC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him100%
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
What a turnaround from the Supercoach !
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we have had to witness, what I consider 2 of the very worst halves of rugby in AB history this season (T3 v Ireland, T1 v Argentina)
There are still issues, sure kicking 2 of his assistants has helped tilt that balance back, and I think we will only get better from here, however, given how far we had fallen, will we be able to get back to a level that is good enough to win 3 tough test matches back to back?
I still have massive issues with our defence too, seems to be the only part of our game that has not had a makeover in the past 5 or so years, and we have leaked so many easy points in the past years...sure opposition have gotten better, but our defence is so passive, unstructured and easily broken , how McLeod still has a job is beyond me.
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Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him
Absolute rubbish. Nothing mad about reviewing all the coaching staff and seeking feedback from the players.
Mate the NZRU undertook a number of reviews because Fozz was failing. There was a restructure Fozzs original assistants, who he selected were replaced.
The new guys have turned the team.around with the same playimg personnel. Get off the Fozzade. I am happy we are winning Schmidt and Ryan have given me the confidence that we will be competitive at the RWC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..
The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?
(Asking for a friend)
Many? Not my recollection. Care to provide a number/percentage?
My point was Henry's team played against a far superior Wallabies. Care to disagree?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
we have had to witness, what I consider 2 of the very worst halves of rugby in AB history this season (T3 v Ireland, T1 v Argentina)
There are still issues, sure kicking 2 of his assistants has helped tilt that balance back, and I think we will only get better from here, however, given how far we had fallen, will we be able to get back to a level that is good enough to win 3 tough test matches back to back?
I still have massive issues with our defence too, seems to be the only part of our game that has not had a makeover in the past 5 or so years, and we have leaked so many easy points in the past years...sure opposition have gotten better, but our defence is so passive, unstructured and easily broken , how McLeod still has a job is beyond me.
Fire McLeod and install someone who knows shit to take us to the next level
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
Changing coaching seems to have worked then,I wonder how better we would have been if Foster had gone as well,The assistants seem to be turning it around not the HC.
I have a slightly different view.
Foster's biggest failing hasn't been his coaching ability it has been his loyalty/determination to fix underperformance by giving more chances than he should. That's been at player and coach level. I guess that's his nature.
When his hand is forced (even Sami T coming into the squad last year) he does a pretty good job of making things work in his area.
All the praise toward the backs from last night is being heaped on the players but it was Foster that took what he saw last week and gave them a totally different plan than we have seen recently to make the most of their talents.
He gets there in the end. Just wish that the journey didn't have so many wrong turns and dead ends. -
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Foster's biggest failing hasn't been his coaching ability it has been his loyalty/determination to fix underperformance
Couldn't they be linked?
A lot has been personnel.
The props have been changed out, the number one hooker, the 10, the 12, Bridge....the assistants.
All examples where he hung on too long. Admittedly you can see the idea. Sometimes it works. The locks were being called as ready for pasture earlier in the year, Will Jordan went through a half dozen matches were he looked like he was making up the numbers, Havili got better and better but like Joseph Parker his ceiling has been established.
Some has been the coaching. Good forwards looked rubbish, the attack over thought and destined to fail.
I'm not absolving Foster entirely. Even the bits from his assistants he held the final say on.
In the last regime his actual technical coaching, especially in the backs was well appreciated by the players and they played well. I think we can see that happening again now he can concentrate there with decent support in the other areas.
