All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Didn’t resign. Has to be sacked.
I didn’t expect him to , probably feels some kind of loyalty to the players in a survival instinct kind of way , ,I think he will have to be tapped on the shoulder
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Ireland tonight reminded me of a team I used to know.
Stoked for them
Completely destroyed us
Reiko Ionie is a poke centre.
Hardout, we used to do what Ireland did to us. We'd be the better team overall and would weather the storm (e.g. our 3rd quarter) then would pull away and win comfortably.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Didn’t resign. Has to be sacked.
Well something needs to change drastically.
The same pattern over and over again. Get a good win and see progress, play completely crap and lose badly. Then in the 3rd Test reverse the order for the 1st & second halves and lose again.
It's the complete lack of acknowledgement that serious changes are needed, from NZR down to the water-carriers, I find so infuriating
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Razor will sort that out.
Changing culture doesn't come from the top - it has to come from the players themselves.
It does when they are dropped.
Just dropping players won't improve the culture - unless you want one of fear which never works.
You are massively underestimating the influence the coach has on the culture. A new leader in any organisation can have a huge effect on employees with the right leadership. It's just abundantly clear Foster doesn't foster a culture of excellence (sorry had to with the pun)
Not really. He can lead and identify the change needed, but that will only work if the players are on board so the culture change comes from the bottom up.
Threatening players with being dropped if they don't conform (which @Frank suggested) almost always has the opposite effect.
We had the same problems since the end of Hansen’s tenure. We are not winning rucks, collisions, like we used too, we kick the ball away like we do, and we have players whose error rate for test rugby is too high.
I'd argue that started during Hansen's reign. I'd also argue that Foster isn't the man to fix it.
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One thing that has really frustrated me is when people say that a particularly coach hasn't got international experience.
Great coaches are just great. People follow.We need detailed planning and organization. Our players are ok
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Razor will sort that out.
Changing culture doesn't come from the top - it has to come from the players themselves.
It does when they are dropped.
Just dropping players won't improve the culture - unless you want one of fear which never works.
You are massively underestimating the influence the coach has on the culture. A new leader in any organisation can have a huge effect on employees with the right leadership. It's just abundantly clear Foster doesn't foster a culture of excellence (sorry had to with the pun)
Not really. He can lead and identify the change needed, but that will only work if the players are on board so the culture change comes from the bottom up.
Threatening players with being dropped if they don't conform (which @Frank suggested) almost always has the opposite effect.
We had the same problems since the end of Hansen’s tenure. We are not winning rucks, collisions, like we used too, we kick the ball away like we do, and we have players whose error rate for test rugby is too high.
I'd argue that started during Hansen's reign. I'd also argue that Foster isn't the man to fix it.
Agree.
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Lowe just gave his shorts to a female Irish fan lol
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Damo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Damo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I turned the TV off. For those still watching - can anyone tell me if Foster has done the decent thing and resigned yet?
Not interviewed yet.
First question at the press conference is surely
"Just a question around timing. Will you resign now or are you going to give it a few days and resign next week".
He'll never resign, it'll all be about learnings, and excitement, and how much Ireland have improved
Ireland have improved. NZ haven't. One of those things is in Foster's control. ☺️
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Didn’t resign. Has to be sacked.
No, he can keep the title. Just don't let him near the team.
Like Test 1, right?
Foster not involved in week before test. 1 from 1.
Foster involved in week before test. 0 from 2.
Can he just coach via zoom? 🤣
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Reado says we looked like strangers. Goldie names the coaches as culpable. This is truth
When former players (and your previous captain), great players, start going for you, you must know your time is up.
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Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Reado says we looked like strangers. Goldie names the coaches as culpable. This is truth
When former players (and your previous captain), great players, start going for you, you must know your time is up.
And he was trying hard not to say bad stuff. The pressure on the NZRFU and Fozz will be immense.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
He's proud of how we came back in the 2nd half, and there were some nice signs there. Good stuff. Can't wait to see if we can topple the mighty Argentina this year.
Did anyone ask him how he felt about the first half?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
So this, we have nothing as a team
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
He's proud of how we came back in the 2nd half, and there were some nice signs there. Good stuff. Can't wait to see if we can topple the mighty Argentina this year.
Did anyone ask him how he felt about the first half?
Not directly, it was soft ball shit from Smithy
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
This. You can accept a loss if you can see that the players are trying to implement something new and it not quite clicking. Like when Smith introduced the flat attack alignment under Henry.
The set piece isn't as good as it was.
Set piece attack is non-existent.
Phased attack is poor, plus poor skills mean lots of turnovers.
Defence is porous.
ABs will always have game breakers because of the talent still there.
It reminds me of Brazil after 1970. Exceptional players doing their own thing, but losing against better teams. It took a coach who made them structured again (with flashes of brilliance, but with onus on solidity and team) with a set system before they won another world cup in 1994.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
Even then I can't remember the last time I saw structured rugby from our MIB
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I had to re post this again.
Foster quotes from this week
“This is where you want to be in terms of the excitement,” he said. “We don’t want to lose a test, but we have, and to have a big game in front of us like this means the eyes go really quickly from looking back to forward. We’ve had some big days, but that’s the way it should be. The work that’s been done is fantastic.
**My Question MR Foster do you need to lose to get excited about fronting up in the Black jersey by losing the week before ?.
Is not pulling on that jersey enough to get the team excited.“I can’t wait to play Ireland. We’re learning … well I think we already knew, but everyone else is learning that this is a high-quality team we’re playing. It’s a great examination for us. So we’ve got to show we’re smart and we’re learning as well.”
What have you learned in the last few years you have been involved not much that I can see.If you already knew it why did we play so. badly.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
Even then I can't remember the last time I saw structured rugby from our MIB
But it was simple, basic, minimal-mistake rugby played at speed and with venom, which created pressure on the other side and allowed players with freakish talent to exploit the opportunities.
Why do we have to wait until we are 15 points down to play like that?
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best.
THIS HAS TO BE THE QUOTE OF THE WHOLE THREAD. EXACTLY
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Did anyone else notice the comment from the great K. Read. on AU and ENG - talking about Dave Rennie and how ‘they’ve got a coach they are really playing for over there’. A short but interesting comment. I’d love to hear the comms team speak candidly.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
Even then I can't remember the last time I saw structured rugby from our MIB
But it was simple, basic, minimal-mistake rugby played at speed and with venom, which created pressure on the other side and allowed players with freakish talent to exploit the opportunities.
Why do we have to wait until we are 15 points down to play like that?
I'd like to see us play 80 minutes of no frills direct physical rugby
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
It reminded me of that 3rd quarter against France last year (on that occasion it was Ardie, AI & ST). Flashes of competence amongst the crap
The main problem is the tight five though. Their clean out work has been terrible for a long time
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
It reminded me of that 3rd quarter against France last year (on that occasion it was Ardie, AI & ST). Flashes of competence amongst the crap
The main problem is the tight five though. Their clean out work has been terrible for a long time
Absolute failure to secure the breakdown. You can't attack for numerous phases if you keep turning the ball over
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
Even then I can't remember the last time I saw structured rugby from our MIB
When we are under pressure we hold the ball and start to compete physically.
Our biggest issue is kicking static ball. How many box kicks? What % did we regather.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Didn’t resign. Has to be sacked.
Him resigning means he admits he's wrong, him being said NZR amid they were wrong. Neither will happen until we are in s much worse place
Told ya already. Exactly the same with Boris Johnson
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
And while I thought Ireland had a good chance of winning, never did I suspect they would get over 30 points. We leak like a sieve.
Ireland let the ball do the work and NZ were left watching
Hansen’s involvement in Keenan’s try was outstanding
Ball carrier, ruck protector, slotting in to outside half to split open the defence in three consecutive plays
Henshaw’s try should be in the coaching manual
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Can't give benefits of the doubt any more. Hope Joe Schmidt gets quick promotion to head coach now.
Our hooker and midfield selections backfired unsurprisingly in my view. Outside the 50 22 Havili seemed just as pressured as Rieko all night. Taylor again failed to deliver. And the bench did not work. Needed more direction and intelligence when Smith and Cane went off but we seemed far more disorganised. Vaii gave it his all. But what was RTS there for?
Sure as hell hope we see Jordie at 12 Jordan at 15 and Rieko and Reece on the wing. Our kicking and kick chase so poor and we seem to have lost our connectivity on counter-attack.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Final thought from me before I rescue the TV from the swimming pool:
It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Zero progress, no coherent strategy or game plan and poor on-field management.
It's like watching a slow motion Tour de France crash over and over again.
Agree. I.can accept losing if we play our best. But we look like a rabble right now. And the ABs rarely do rabble
Yet we can play so bloody well when we want to - e.g. 3rd quarter.
Even then I can't remember the last time I saw structured rugby from our MIB
But it was simple, basic, minimal-mistake rugby played at speed and with venom, which created pressure on the other side and allowed players with freakish talent to exploit the opportunities.
Why do we have to wait until we are 15 points down to play like that?
I'd like to see us play 80 minutes of no frills direct physical rugby
Agree - also I’d like us to reduce box kicks, cross field kicks, and kick long and for corners. Watched the Irish and they knew when they were going to kick and they had 3 or 4 chasers.
