RIP Martin Crowe

Rancid Schnitzel

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Shit, what an internet hiding, now I know how davidav and Paarlbok must have felt. Some of you had some very compelling arguments.
 
Without sounding like the ramblings of someone who's taken too many virtual punches and kicks do I dare mention that his test average is not even in the top 63 of all time ? ( I'd expand the stats more but cricinfo is playing up, it stops at 48 ) Is it in the top 100 ?
 
Did you fluffybunnys all miss the point I made when I said he's undeniably a kiwi great. Second name down on the team sheet. That's extremely high praise. 
 
Anyone going to his funeral or are you all playing golf instead ?
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Please reflect on those names in bold for a moment. One was a demented Seppo, the other a demented Saffa who believed the Cavaliers were much better than the 87 RWC team. That is the company you now keep.
 
You have only one option to redeem yourself. Apologize profusely for your sacrilege and then self-flagellation with a Martin Crowe signed Duncan Fearnley. Off you go heretic.

MN5

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Please reflect on those names in bold for a moment. One was a demented Seppo, the other a demented Saffa who believed the Cavaliers were much better than the 87 RWC team. That is the company you now keep.
 
You have only one option to redeem yourself. Apologize profusely for your sacrilege and then self-flagellation with a Martin Crowe signed Duncan Fearnley. Off you go heretic.
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I just wanted you guys to like me......

Virgil

Think we have all said a few times averaging 50+ today is like 45+ in the 70s and 80s 
Which is why the stat of Crowe averaging higher than anyone else from 85 to 91 is relevant. 
A favourite stat of mine that MN5 loathes is that if you ignore Crowes early 7 tests ( when he was clearly not ready to face Lillie and Thompson) and his last 4 or 5 tests web he was literally hobbling on 1 leg, his average is over 50. 
Yes you can pick apart any player and make their stats look better. But Crowes circumstances are very much different, especially when you factor his compelling and utter World Class FC record. 15th best of all fucken time.

Donsteppa

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 I wonder how many of us considered Crowe an all time global great a month ago
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Me.
 
Following that ABC grandstand interview I learned to reconcile Crowe the player/captain/writer, and Crowe the commentator as two different people.

Rancid Schnitzel

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I just wanted you guys to like me......
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Just imagine how you'd feel if someone told you that Chris Gayle was not a God. Well that's how we all feel right now.

Virgil

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Following that ABC grandstand interview I learned to reconcile Crowe the player/captain/writer, and Crowe the commentator as two different people.</blockquote>
I've known Crowe is/was a great since I was 13 years old (1985)

MN5

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Think we have all said a few times averaging 50+ today is like 45+ in the 70s and 80s 
Which is why the stat of Crowe averaging higher than anyone else from 85 to 91 is relevant. 
A favourite stat of mine that MN5 loathes is that if you ignore Crowes early 7 tests ( when he was clearly not ready to face Lillie and Thompson) and his last 4 or 5 tests web he was literally hobbling on 1 leg, his average is over 50. 
Yes you can pick apart any player and make their stats look better. But Crowes circumstances are very much different, especially when you factor his compelling and utter World Class FC record. 15th best of all fucken time.
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I remember the first five or six times you brought that one up. If you ignore all his other tests apart from when he scored 299 at home against a weak Sri Lankan attack his average is really high.

Donsteppa

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I've known Crowe is/was a great since I was 13 years old (1985)
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I always knew, but I lost track briefly following HOLY COW HALF A DOZEN, the four stumps era within Cricket Max, and listening to too many people like MN5 :)

MN5

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I always knew, but I lost track briefly following HOLY COW HALF A DOZEN, the four stumps era within Cricket Max, and listening to too many people like MN5 :)
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pffffft, you "like" it when I talk about police shit on the other thread. Don't hate on me cos of my opinion of Martin "the crowd'll tell ya" Crowe ( which is a high opinion all things considered ). 
 
I've NEVER said Gayle is a God much less anything other than a very decent test batsman.

Donsteppa

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pffffft, you "like" it when I talk about police shit on the other thread. Don't hate on me cos of my opinion of Martin "the crowd'll tell ya" Crowe ( which is a high opinion all things considered ). 
 
I've NEVER said Gayle is a God much less anything other than a very decent test batsman.
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Were you a gymnast in a pervious life? A contortionist, perhaps?

MN5

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Were you a gymnast in a pervious life?
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I regularly perv at someone who was....( previously ) one in this life ? does that count ?

Donsteppa

It explains much, especially with the added effect of the typo.
 
Sticking it to ferals in the off topic thread shan't save you from sacrilege!!!

MN5

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It explains much, especially with the added effect of the typo.
 
Sticking it to ferals in the off topic thread shan't save you from sacrilege!!!
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Sacrilege ? aw so y'all think he's better than Hadlee now ?

Donsteppa

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Sacrilege ? aw so y'all think he's better than Hadlee now ?
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Referencing Ramprakash and Hick anywhere near Crowe was thine sacrilege, heathen.

taniwharugby

He was waaaay better than Hadlee, at batting!

MN5

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He was waaaay better than Hadlee, at batting!
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Ha, that did make me chortle quite heartily. Right, now you've made your contribution you can leave cos we all know cricket isn't your forte.
 
I mentioned Hick and Ramprakash to make a point that first class averages don't mean a huge amount, Crowe shits all over their best test efforts.

taniwharugby

fark clearly I know more than you think, I have heard of Crowe, but not half those other nobody's you keep Willising on about! :)

MN5

Martin Crowe is nothing but the Brian O'Driscoll of cricket :fishing:

Virgil

Shane Williams must be twice the player Jonah Lomu was.

MN5

Hear me out Virg,
 
 
MC didn't accuse opposition of trying to kill him but there are parallels.
 
Both were THE key players in their teams for most of their careers.
 
BOD stood out in that Irish backline like dogs balls for most of his career, ditto Crowe for the BC in the batting line up.
 
"Watch out for BOD/Crowe, they're really dangerous....."
 
However was BOD heaps better ( or even better full stop ) than Umaga/Smith/Mortlock/Fourie/Greenwood etc ?
 
Point I'm making is that it's easier to stand out amongst lesser players. Richie Richardson woulda been the best player in most batting line ups of his era, only thing is at either end he had Viv Richards then Brian Lara who outshone him plus guys like Greenidge and Haynes who were at least as good as he was.

The Silver Fern

RIP Martin Crowe