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Why do you refer to Tupou as a lock? As far as I know, he's mainly a loose forward (6/8) who can also play lock. That's why he's such a handy man to have on the bench! Good leader, too. It's unfortunate for Tupou that there are so many All Blacks in the Crusaders forward pack and that Taufua is playing so extremely well, because they keep him out of the squad (not sure why they prefer Tim Boys on the bench). The Blues pack is not so stacked with great players, so he may finally get more game time if he indeed makes the move. I think he would be a good signing for the Blues.

pukunui

I think it's a good signing. Tupou looked good earlier in the season when he got a start. It was at 8 however. Anyway it adds depth which they need even if it doesn't solve the lock issue.

bobily

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="584575" data-time="1464785601">Why do you refer to Tupou as a lock? As far as I know, he's mainly a loose forward (6/8) who can also play lock. That's why he's such a handy man to have on the bench! Good leader, too. It's unfortunate for Tupou that there are so many All Blacks in the Crusaders forward pack and that Taufua is playing so extremely well, because they keep him out of the squad (not sure why they prefer Tim Boys on the bench). The Blues pack is not so stacked with great players, so he may finally get more game time if he indeed makes the move. I think he would be a good signing for the Blues.</blockquote>
 
The Blues are stacked in the loose forwards, so he likely wouldn't even get a bench spot there. Getting the bench lock spot is more likely.

Tim

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="584575" data-time="1464785601">Why do you refer to Tupou as a lock? As far as I know, he's mainly a loose forward (6/8) who can also play lock. That's why he's such a handy man to have on the bench! Good leader, too. It's unfortunate for Tupou that there are so many All Blacks in the Crusaders forward pack and that Taufua is playing so extremely well, because they keep him out of the squad (not sure why they prefer Tim Boys on the bench). The Blues pack is not so stacked with great players, so he may finally get more game time if he indeed makes the move. I think he would be a good signing for the Blues.</blockquote>
 
The Blues have Luatua, Ioane, and Kaino as loose forward/lock options. They also have Edwards. They need locks, not loose forwards.

Canes4life

Looking at a Canes perspective we will probably have too many Locks next season so there will be an opportunity for the Blues to snap someone like Mark Abbot who would compliment Patrick Tuipolotu really well.
 
We will have Isaia Walker-Leawere (NZ Under 20s), James Broadhurst (If he doesn't retire), Michael Fatialofa (Originally from Auckland but has cemented himself in the Canes), Blade Thomson, Geoff Cridge, James Blackwell and Vaea Fifita. There are also rumors of Nelson Asofa Solomona coming back to union. That means there is a prime opportunity to target someone that will be at the back of the pack.
 
I believe Mark Abbott is our best lock but Boyd continues to leave him out of the 23 to his utter frustration. Im sure he will be looking for more game time so the Blues may be the best option for him next year.
 
Any of you Blues fans keep to swap Abbott for Faumauina?? :good1:
 
Also after waching the Breakdown last night Kirwan was giving it to Cullen about the Blues signing Barrett. Is there maybe something he knows that we don't??. I know he is off contract and his girlfriend is from up that way so maybe he is looking to shift.

bobily

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I believe Mark Abbott is our best lock but Boyd continues to leave him out of the 23 to his utter frustration. Im sure he will be looking for more gametime so the Blues may be the best option for him next year.
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What is it you rate about Abbott? I sorta viewed him as being similar to Mark Reddish, in a way. Pretty mobile, but a bit of a light-weight and perhaps not up to starting at SupeRugby level.

leytonandamanda

Abbott is much better than reddish,he gets through a lot of work,very good in line outs and tackles all day 
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Canes4life

Im not sure if you've been watching any of the Canes games this year but he has been a workhorse and rarely makes mistakes. He isn't the biggest lock but he has a massive ticker and rarely gets injured. He's not too shabby in the air, great on defence and Ian Jones even had him in his top XV for the first half of the season so he must have been doing something right.
 
I suppose the one black mark against his name is size and that has probably been the main factor towards him falling behind Fatialofa.

SammyC

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Looking at a Canes perspective we will probably have too many Locks next season so there will be an opportunity for the Blues to snap someone like Mark Abbot who would compliment Patrick Tuipolotu really well.
 
We will have Isaia Walker-Leawere (NZ Under 20s), James Broadhurst (If he doesn't retire), Michael Fatialofa (Originally from Auckland but has cemented himself in the Canes), Blade Thomson, Geoff Cridge, James Blackwell and Vaea Fifita. There are also rumors of Nelson Asofa Solomona coming back to union. That means there is a prime opportunity to target someone that will be at the back of the pack.
 
I believe Mark Abbott is our best lock but Boyd continues to leave him out of the 23 to his utter frustration. Im sure he will be looking for more game time so the Blues may be the best option for him next year.
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Jeez you talk up Mark Abbott.
 
Nothing more than a journeyman club player down here, I could name 8-10 locks who I'd pick up from Christchurch club rugby instead

Canes4life

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Jeez you talk up Mark Abbott.
 
Nothing more than a journeyman club player down here, I could name 8-10 locks who I'd pick up from Christchurch club rugby instead
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Is that why you had to snatch Barrett and Whitelock from the Canes catchment. If Canterbury were so good at producing locks they wouldn't have to look elsewhere for signings.
 
Oh really. And that is why those 8-10 players are playing Super Rugby aye. Good one.
 
I'm not saying Abbott is an international quality lock but he def holds his own at Super level.
 
Your blind comment suggests you probably havn't watched a Canes game this year so jog on.

bobily

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Im not sure if you've been watching any of the Canes games this year but he has been a workhorse and rarely makes mistakes. He isn't the biggest lock but he has a massive ticker and rarely gets injured. He's not too shabby in the air, great on defence and Ian Jones even had him in his top XV for the first half of the season so he must have been doing something right.
 
I suppose the one black mark against his name is size and that has probably been the main factor towards him falling behind Fatialofa. 
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Thanks for that. I haven't been able to watch as many games this year as I would've liked, sadly. 
 
I do question the great on defense - it is possible that the tackles he is making are of a high quality, but statistically he tends to miss quite a few (his tackling %age is 76% compared to 90% for Fatialofa).

SammyC

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Is that why you had to sntach Barrett and Whitelock from the Canes catchment. If Canterbury were so good at producing locks they wouldn't have to look elsewhere for signings.
 
Oh really. And that is why those 8-10 players are playing Super Rugby aye. Good one.
 
I'm not saying Abbott is an international quality lock but he def holds his own at Super level.
 
Your blind comment suggests you probably havn't watched a Canes game this year so jog on.
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We pinched Barrett and Whitelock because they are way better than journeyman players like Abbot 
 
 
 
I've watched Abbott play several games of club rugby down here, I'm well aware of how he plays. We were even suprised he got a contract at Hawkes Bay
 
I've also watched every Canes game this year.
 
 
It's kind of a running joke on the sidelines down here that he is anywhere near a super side. 
 
 
But yeah he plays for the Canes aye, so must be awesome

Provincial Stalwart

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What it does show is that players who have played under Tana obviously enjoy the environment and rate him (Pulu, SBW, Tupou etc).
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Your point about Pulu is half correct. He surely left the Chiefs because they are stacked at halfback and no player wants to be the #3 guy. What is significant about Tana is that Pulu chose him when he could have probably gone from the Chiefs to anywhere but the Landers and got significant gametime. Pulu is certaintly capable of putting strong pressure on TJP if he'd gone to the Canes and similarly could have been starting at the Crusaders next year.

SammyC

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Your blind comment suggests you probably havn't watched a Canes game this year so jog on.
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You accuse people of this on a regular basis.
 
Perhaps they are watching the games (without an eye patch)

Canes4life

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We pinched Barrett and Whitelock because they are way better than journeyman players like Abbot 
 
 
 
I've watched Abbott play several games of club rugby down here, I'm well aware of how he plays. We were even suprised he got a contract at Hawkes Bay
 
I've also watched every Canes game this year.
 
 
It's kind of a running joke on the sidelines down here that he is anywhere near a super side. 
 
 
But yeah he plays for the Canes aye, so must be awesome
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I just like the way he plays. He has no fear and if he was a little bigger he would probably influence the game more with the way he plays. I know he has put on a bit of beef since coming to the Canes. I think he was something like 110kg when he first got here and now he weighs something like 115kg so that proabably has helped him this year, compared to when he was a young chap playing down in Canterbry.
 
My suggestion for him to head up to Auckland is that I don't think there will be room for him at the Canes next year with guys like 125kg Walker-Leawere coming through. The Blues can take him or leave him I don't really care.
 
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You accuse people of this on a regular basis.
 
Perhaps they are watching the games (without an eye patch)
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Rich coming from a guy that hails from Chch.
 
How am I watching with an eye patch EDIT MOD - NEVILLE NONEED. I never said he was the best in N.Z. all I said was that I rated him within the Canes squad and he would be a good signing for the Blues.
 
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SammyC

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Cunterbry.
 
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Fuck off

leytonandamanda

I rate him aswell and I'm certainly not biased. Not international quality but a good super rugby player. 
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Unco

Based on the fact that Boyd and Plumtree don't rate him enough to give him a game, it sounds like it's you vs the world, C4L. But don't worry, I'm sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.
 
Also, SammyC's the one on his period when you're the one throwing shit around like "cunterbry" and "you knob"? Really?

leytonandamanda

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="584638" data-time="1464819920">Based on the fact that Boyd and Plumtree don't rate him enough to give him a game, it sounds like it's you vs the world, C4L. But don't worry, I'm sure you're right and everyone else is wrong. 
Also, SammyC's the one on his period when you're the one throwing shit around like "cunterbry" and "you knob"? Really?</blockquote>boyd and plumtree have given Abbott games but fatialofa and fifita are just playing even better,not that Abbott was dropped cause he was rubbish. 
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SammyC

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Based on the fact that Boyd and Plumtree don't rate him enough to give him a game, it sounds like it's you vs the world, C4L. But don't worry, I'm sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.
 
Also, SammyC's the one on his period when you're the one throwing shit around like "cunterbry" and "you knob"? Really?
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Socrates said it best:
 
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser :)

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