All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@victor-meldrew the biggest criticism of the evening was that the ABs put themselves in a position to close the game out. In possession and seconds on the clock. Boks had looked threatening with the ball, but not "strike from 80m" threatening.
TJP should have hoisted a box kick and put the pressure on Boks to win it from 80m. The breakdown is too much of a lottery to wind the clock down.
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@african-monkey That’s so accurate. Looking at the posts 6 hours later while watching the game and half the fern need a sedagive.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris
I am only talking about what TJP (mainly) and Mo'unga should have done from the scrum on halfway. Nothing more. Savea made a great run off a retreating scrum and then the percentage play was to kick behind SA and force them to run or kick the ball back. I certainly aren't absolving the forwards in that passage of play.Hard disagree. There were multiple safe ways to close that game out and the one they chose was as good as any. It wasn't a decision making problem. It was an execution problem.
The play they chose was to run down the clock in the Boks half. They had the exact right setup they just didn't execute, it was a lack of urgency/focus to get on the ball carrier that gave the Boks the chance to win that penalty.
If you want to talk poor decision making look directly at Barrett's complete lack of patience and inability to keep us down in opposition territory. There's just no way he starts big games at 10 again if Mo'unga is fit. He is a great supersub and honestly the only other starting role I'd consider him is on the wing.
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Karl T looks to be a friendly interviewer. Not an incredibly incisive interview though.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@victor-meldrew the biggest criticism of the evening was that the ABs put themselves in a position to close the game out. In possession and seconds on the clock. Boks had looked threatening with the ball, but not "strike from 80m" threatening.
TJP should have hoisted a box kick and put the pressure on Boks to win it from 80m. The breakdown is too much of a lottery to wind the clock down.
I’m guessing we would have killed him for not letting the forwards grind out the clock. That part has to be at the feet of Tuipolutu and others, Ardie did magnificently to put us in that position.
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@williethewaiter I hardly knew that Jacobson was on the park. What position was he playing?
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@williethewaiter I hardly knew that Jacobson was on the park. What position was he playing?
Unfortunately that game produced more questions than answers as to our best combinations, still don’t know our best front row, back row, midfield or wings.
Was even shocked when I saw Rettalick looking around at first receiver while Brad Weber is battling for his life against half a dozen Boks! -
@dmx Boks had been able to turnover ball at the breakdown all game, but especially at the end of the game. Pin the Boks back into their territory and trust your defence, a defence which had shown it could force mistakes from the Boks.
Worst case scenario you give away a penalty around the 22m line which would likely result in a lineout between halfway and AB 22m. Instead of giving away a penalty on half way and having a lineout inside 22m to defend.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@dmx Boks had been able to turnover ball at the breakdown all game, but especially at the end of the game. Pin the Boks back into their territory and trust your defence, a defence which had shown it could force mistakes from the Boks.
Worst case scenario you give away a penalty around the 22m line which would likely result in a lineout between halfway and AB 22m. Instead of giving away a penalty on half way and having a lineout inside 22m to defend.
Preaching to the converted.
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@dmx I think front row and midfield are probably the most problematic. Back row you have plenty of v good options. Just need to find the right balance.
ABs need an option in midfield that can bend the line. Or a wing that can be brought in off set piece to bend it 😊. ALB and Havili are too similar IMO. Both are play making centres. And outside Barrett or Mo'unga, there needs to be an option who can truck the ball up when required. Does NZ have anyone who fits that bill right now? A sledgehammer to complement the rapier 😬
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Rewatch 36 to 66.
ABs lineout better than Boks's in period!!!! Only miss Aumua throwing directly to Kitshoff and not to Patty T. BBBR jumping forced Bok miss at 36. Akira pressure another at 48. Akira took several in meantime (and beautiful one for Savea try).
Scrum slightly moving forward except first of H2, following Jordie (non-) forward pass. Bok TH twisted, which ref ruled Moody infringement. Wrong side for camera. Props looked bemused.
Ref's inconsisitency on tackle release directly caused the result. Not just BB at 38 (Faf never released), but also at 54:30 followng a period of AB pressure, when Etzebeth held on to Jordie and Marx given penalty. Huge swing.
Even worse, in next minute Kitshoff was about to be turned over 5m out from AB line and ABs penalised for... 'no clear release'!!! Led to penalty dead in front and 3.
At 50 Steyn 50/22 MASSIVE. Good LO/maul/momentum. Poor short side defence and Boks over. Also huge Steyn kick gain at 58.
Perhaps most damning, though, from 46 to 48 ABs hot on attack. Several recyclings but pattern of ball to BB and then Havili not aligned for backline move. BBBR couple of time gets pass with nowhere to go.
BUT NO OTHER TIGHTIES TO BE SEEN. FFS LJ and BB trying to bind and defend counter ruck???
Also at 66 RM gets ball but Bok fish hook cuts him off from rest of backline. Shepherded into pod of e.g. Marx/Kwagga/a lock.
Our backline alignment/interplay with forwards was non-existent?! And Boks had done homework.
Forwards always in wrong place and unavailable for cleanout. Was there no plan?
TBC...
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That was a great test match and hats off to the Boks who were good value for their victory. For the ABs, I thought Weber had a great first half. Backs were generally pretty good TBH, maybe Havili could have done a bit more. But it wasn't in the backs that the game was lost.
I said it already, and I'll say it again, when you have Aumua and Tuipulotu as replacements, you are in lineout trouble. The former just can't be depended on to throw, and the latter is just not a jumping lock. Probably cost us the game. The starting props were also kept on 5 minutes too long. Really missed Whitelock.
I don't like having a go at the match officials, and fair play to Carling for having the guts to whistle penalties at the end, but there bad calls both ways. The worst for mine though was Mpimpi being a good few metres offside on the kick chase, not spotted by anyone.
I don't think you can be too hard or disappointed in the ABs, the Boks are our major foe for a reason - they are also bloody good at rugby!
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think other than selection blunders our glaring issue is tight 5. Our props are all kinda average-shit and our locking stocks aren't looking great without Whitelock. Retallick hasn't been as good since he left.
There are plenty of promising up and coming props, but if they are to be ready for 2023, they need to be in the first squad named next year.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fainganuku
I like his size and he is a good player but are they playing him that second five on a regular basis.? Havilli has played as best he can but are we advertising the position? 2nd five at least 110kg. I sure when Havilli plays for the Crusaders he will be locked into 2 five now so when will Fainganuku get a chance. Provincial rugby is not enough.
