Wallabies v Springboks II
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
These are just words for the refs officiating the games against the ABs.
You'd think Polly would be thinking about the tackles he missed
There's only one Jasper Wiese....
I've thought since the lions series he was a card waiting to happen - surprised it took this long.
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@stargazer said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
I'll be surprised if this isn't going to be a citing. There's no way there are mitigating factors. First contact was with the head; with force.
As I said ...
No.8 Jasper Wiese cited for 78th minute 'physical abuse' incident
Springboks No.8 Jasper Wiese has been cited for alleged foul play during South Africa's loss to the Wallabies.
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Head or head/shoulder of the Bok player direct to the head. Reckless is being polite (imo either dumb or pure frustrated thuggery, I can't read minds) but was hard to see any mitigation. I couldn't believe it wasn't a straight red card.
The Ref knew the game was over and wanted his shower and a beer or two with minimum fuss I think but happy it's been cited. If not it would have been a terrible precedent.
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
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@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
I rewatched ... the Ref didn't go through the decision-tree type process they often talk through with the TMO for clarity. He didn't give a mitigation. After watching the replays he just went "I think we're on a yellow card".
The mental pressure the Refs are under must be immense, I think he'd switched off slightly like players do when the game is won ... mentally I think he bottled the red because he thought he'd finished his job for the day.
No excuse and you'd imagine he was pulled up in the referee's review post-game.
Nigel Owens talked in an interview about having a great game as ref (ABs vs Boks in Joberg 2013) then getting a complete bollocking in the review in his next test match ... he admitted he had a pretty poor game. Apparently he was told another performance like that and he had no chance of getting the RWC final.
So elite refs are under constant scrutiny to perform, just like elite players are.
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@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
Unless you're Jordie Barrett in which case "you just get it a bit wrong"
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
Unless you're Jordie Barrett in which case "you just get it a bit wrong"
I mean, the unco fluffybunny that caused it and would have had his second red card for an air tackle this season set the precedent for having cards wiped. But you go on and pretend it's an AB thing 😜
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@bones said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
Unless you're Jordie Barrett in which case "you just get it a bit wrong"
I mean, the unco fluffybunny that caused it and would have had his second red card for an air tackle this season set the precedent for having cards wiped. But you go on and pretend it's an AB thing 😜
Nah this was his cleanout against the Force in SRTT where he only got a penalty because the ref said "oh he just got it a bit wrong".
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@akan004 said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
Hopefully Wiese is free to play against us. Very average player.
So the refs didn't deem it a red card
But the Citing Commissioner decided it met the threshold
And now, in their infinite wisdom, the Judiciary decided it didn't warrant a red cardBesides, y'know, being a shoulder to the head at a ruck with no attempt to bind.
Anyway, the Boks Coach (I still don't know who he is and want to say "Rassie") left him out of planning as the process was apparently taking too long.
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@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/09/22/how-the-springboks-hit-an-english-speed-bump-at-suncorp/
I read that. TBH both teams had to adapt to the calls. If the Boks were fitter, they might have adapted better.
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It didn't occur to me until I read that article how much the referee's style played into our hands.
It's the same reason we always played well under Wayne Barnes. His style emphasised quick ball at the ruck, and he always erred on the side of the team trying to play attacking, positive rugby.
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@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
It didn't occur to me until I read that article how much the referee's style played into our hands.
It's the same reason we always played well under Wayne Barnes. His style emphasised quick ball at the ruck, and he always erred on the side of the team trying to play attacking, positive rugby.
Except for that time at Cardiff Arms Park in 2007 you mean? 🤔
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@canefan said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
It didn't occur to me until I read that article how much the referee's style played into our hands.
It's the same reason we always played well under Wayne Barnes. His style emphasised quick ball at the ruck, and he always erred on the side of the team trying to play attacking, positive rugby.
Except for that time at Cardiff Arms Park in 2007 you mean? 🤔
The Wallabies played earlier in the day in France I believe.....
