Poll: Foster reappointment
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@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up
The longer they wait the easier it will be to make calls on the class of 2013 and Whitelock too. That would have leadership implications. Hansen was not capable of making the calls on Read and SBW that needed to be made, I doubt Foster is either.
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When is his contract up??
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Alright folks, time to put your money where your mouth is.
I'm still firmly of the opinion I've seen enough that I'd be looking to move on from Foster. I don't think he has developed much of our game, and selections have been consistently haphazard. To me, on his body of work, he should be gooooooorne
How many tests has he been in charge of? Is it 11? And 6 of those have been against the Aussies.
Hasn’t had the opportunity to play a NH opponent or the Boks yet.
I think things have developed in our game plan, but I don’t underestimate the fact that you do need different opponents to challenge and expand you.
Also I don’t think selections have been any different in terms of changes, experiments and new players, as previous coaches starting out. Some have worked out better than others but in my view that’s all part of it.
I’m also doubtful at this point there is someone that will ‘shake things up’ as has been mentioned.
I’m with the Aussie bloke, Fozzie all the way 😃
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I cant see the poll anymore but i think I voted direct replacement and rejig assistants.
Every other decent coach (other than Razor) has a significant contract they wont break to take this, as that impacts their own brand.
I cant see any of this happening mind you..
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If that game ends up being Foster's version of the 2004 France fixture, I will conduct a volte face and sing his praises from the nearest hill.
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@nzzp if Foster says Bridge is part of the AB family then yes (the family seems to include Frizzel, Bower, Ta'avao, DMac as starting fullback and Jordie as a premiere starting wing).
Interesting so many re happy to keep Foster but replace his assistants.
I'm happy with that if we can also replace the person who chose the wrong assistants, time for some "responsibility."
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@rotated said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up
The longer they wait the easier it will be to make calls on the class of 2013 and Whitelock too. That would have leadership implications. Hansen was not capable of making the calls on Read and SBW that needed to be made, I doubt Foster is either.
I would actually think that, in the circumstances of a "rescue mission", a guy like Whitelock would be absolutely invaluable. Even if he's well past it by that time, I would still think he'd be capable of one last go under a new coaching regime and game plan - even if it was just to sit on the bench and come on late in a knockout match to provide a claim head (see, for example, England's heroes of 2003 and what they then did in 2007).
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
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That's why we should have recruited Rennie. Dmac in the 10 jersey for life
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@voodoo said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Other than Robertson, who else would put their hands up?
Gatland
MacdonaldThe best coaches didn't even bother applying last time (which tells you something abuot the process): Joseph, Rennie, Brown
Rennie certainly had an impressive record with Glasgow and now the wallabies. Overrated much?
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@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
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@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
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@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
Indeed. But many get stuck on their first full year of 2002.
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@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
Indeed. But many get stuck on their first full year of 2002.
Well they did select Broomhall and some other fucking donkeys.
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@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Mitchell and Deans, they did select Mailing, Willis, Douggie and Tana
Four AB legends.
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@kiwimurph said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae exactly.
Who was it on here a while back that was spouting that the inside word was the Crusaders didn't rate Akira at all and they wouldn't select him even if he was available to them? Lol.
Was it Shark? I could be well be wrong though.
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@kiwimurph said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Mitchell and Deans, they did select Mailing, Willis, Douggie and Tana
Four AB
legendstokens.Fixed a spelling error 😉
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@kiwimurph Chchfanatic wasn't it? He was going on about how they prefer guys like Luke Whitelock and how they would laugh at Akira. TBF, he is pretty accurate with his information but yeah, there's clearly no love for him in Chch.
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@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
and dropped Christian. For that, I will always wallow in bitterness, bile and anger when I think of The Journey
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
and dropped Christian. For that, I will always wallow in bitterness, bile and anger when I think of The Journey
But unearthed Auckland’s brightest star and made him an All Black.
Ben Atiga.
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@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
and dropped Christian. For that, I will always wallow in bitterness, bile and anger when I think of The Journey
But unearthed Auckland’s brightest star and made him an All Black.
Ben Atiga.
A dwarven All Black, but an All Black nonetheless
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@voodoo said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Other than Robertson, who else would put their hands up?
Gatland
MacdonaldThe best coaches didn't even bother applying last time (which tells you something abuot the process): Joseph, Rennie, Brown
Well those named coaches already had jobs lat time with countries who don't ask for applications, so a little bit of a furphy there mate. Joseph was already with Japan, and Rennie was with Aus
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@booboo said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Alright folks, time to put your money where your mouth is.
I'm still firmly of the opinion I've seen enough that I'd be looking to move on from Foster. I don't think he has developed much of our game, and selections have been consistently haphazard. To me, on his body of work, he should be gooooooorne
77% winning record
Retained Bledisloe twice
Won Rugby Championship
Record winning score against Australia (under super coach Rennie to boot)Lost 23% of his games
We've held the BC for 19 years and this Wallabies incarnation is incredibly green
Won RC missing the World Champs
The '98 side would smash these Wobblies. They're dross -
@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@voodoo said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Other than Robertson, who else would put their hands up?
Gatland
MacdonaldThe best coaches didn't even bother applying last time (which tells you something abuot the process): Joseph, Rennie, Brown
Well those named coaches already had jobs lat time with countries who don't ask for applications, so a little bit of a furphy there mate. Joseph was already with Japan, and Rennie was with Aus
couldn't disagree more. They didn't throw their hats in the ring because the process looked so rigged to reappoint Foster.
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So what do we think he needs to do to keep his job ?
Could the boks games decide it ?
if we lost 2-0 would that be see ya later ?
I think if he went though undefeated this year it would be difficult to replace him despite what people think of him .
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@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
despite what people think of him .
A somewhat likeable buffoon is not who I want as AB coach myself. He just doesn't come across as very smart. Personality and some selections would attest to this as well as his history.
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@snowy said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
despite what people think of him .
A somewhat likeable buffoon is not who I want as AB coach myself. He just doesn't come across as very smart. Personality and some selections would attest to this as well as his history.
yeah im not in his fanclub either ,
but he was that same person when they appointed him, so you would think it would require something bad for them to do an about face , and if this season is successful well , its hard to see it happening isnt it ?
unless im missing something ?
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@voodoo said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Other than Robertson, who else would put their hands up?
Gatland
MacdonaldThe best coaches didn't even bother applying last time (which tells you something abuot the process): Joseph, Rennie, Brown
Well those named coaches already had jobs lat time with countries who don't ask for applications, so a little bit of a furphy there mate. Joseph was already with Japan, and Rennie was with Aus
couldn't disagree more. They didn't throw their hats in the ring because the process looked so rigged to reappoint Foster.
That's the problem - they are essentially appointing the coach, so they should just do that. I don't see it as much different to a board essentially appointing a CEO (after some secret meetings/interviews). The NZRFU is the problem.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
unless im missing something ?
The glimmer of hope is that the reappointment isn't until the end of the year. Of course, actually finding an alternative that isn't active in NZ right now isn't likely.
most likely outcome: Foster gets reappointed, Robertson comes in as assistant (perhaps along with another ).
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@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@snowy said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
despite what people think of him .
A somewhat likeable buffoon is not who I want as AB coach myself. He just doesn't come across as very smart. Personality and some selections would attest to this as well as his history.
yeah im not in his fanclub either ,
but he was that same person when they appointed him, so you would think it would require something bad for them to do an about face , and if this season is successful well , its hard to see it happening isnt it ?
unless im missing something ?
Unfortunately, I agree with all of that. Unless I am missing the same thing.
@nzzp Hasn't Robertson said, head coach or nothing?
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
unless im missing something ?
The glimmer of hope is that the reappointment isn't until the end of the year. Of course, actually finding an alternative that isn't active in NZ right now isn't likely.
most likely outcome: Foster gets reappointed, Robertson comes in as assistant (perhaps along with another ).
Why Would Robertson want to be associated and connected to Foster's coaching campaign,He may die with Foster without being able to have a shot doing it his way.
Sensible to wait and hope he gets a chance as Head Coach,Then at least if he fails it all on him,And he had a real crack at it. -
@snowy said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@snowy said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
despite what people think of him .
A somewhat likeable buffoon is not who I want as AB coach myself. He just doesn't come across as very smart. Personality and some selections would attest to this as well as his history.
yeah im not in his fanclub either ,
but he was that same person when they appointed him, so you would think it would require something bad for them to do an about face , and if this season is successful well , its hard to see it happening isnt it ?
unless im missing something ?
Unfortunately, I agree with all of that. Unless I am missing the same thing.
@nzzp Hasn't Robertson said, head coach or nothing?
Yup and he is signed until a yer after the RWC so at least we won; lose him. Rennie et al, whether they saw it as a rigged process I don’t know. But the fact that the process was so late they would have to try for ABs coach and turn down offers they had already. Dumb, the other countries did their process much earlier, NZR left it far too late.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
So what do we think he needs to do to keep his job ?
Could the boks games decide it ?
if we lost 2-0 would that be see ya later ?
I think if he went though undefeated this year it would be difficult to replace him despite what people think of him .
I’d expect retaking the No 1 ranking, which will be hard, and not losing the up front battle to SA, Wales, France, Arg, or Ireland. A loss in there is OK, 100% is hard. But no improvement in our ‘physical dominance’ type stuff means he should go.
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@machpants did he say that or was it just the forwards coach?
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@nostrildamus said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@machpants did he say that or was it just the forwards coach?
Rennie? Yeah he said he took the ozzie job as it was offered months before ABs even officially opened their's
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@machpants ah no sorry:
"But no improvement in our ‘physical dominance’ type stuff means he should go."
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@nostrildamus said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@machpants ah no sorry:
"But no improvement in our ‘physical dominance’ type stuff means he should go."
A reference to Foster I assumed.And plumtree, both have mentioned it multiple times
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@chris well thats how Foster got the gig....
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