All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug
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@tim no Swinton? Bugger. Will have to play 15 for the whole 80 ...
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I remember the amazing chase back, tackle and turnover but that’s about it.
that's the one highlight.
made errors, complete non-entity on attack.
we lack a great fullback.
One kick out on the full, 3 turnovers conceded, and 11 total metres (2nd worst back by metres, I think).
He did apparently beat two defenders and get away one offload, plus that fantastic chase and tackle, but overall he was poor in his contributions.
Thanks for backing up the sentiment. The match thread didn’t seem to be too worried at the time.
As I said I didn’t recall him having a horror so was trying to understand the comment that he played himself out of the team.
To be honest though it wasn’t a game made for him. All of our tries were scored from 15 metres out. Just watched the highlights tape and in Reece’s second DMac drew two defenders to leave Sevu unmarked. In Jordan’s try he was running a second hole in case Jordan’s run didn’t get through and in the build up to another he took us from a static position to a metre out stepping through two defenders.
I agree that the position is still debatable just don’t see him as the worst option.But it's DMac, of course he he was shit because DMac.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan who should be on the wing then?
Ioane at 11, if fit Jordan on the right. With Jordan injured I would try DMac on the wing, he’s pretty creative and could make a difference there. Certainly fast enough and a good finisher.
I’d have BB at 15, then JB if his brother really doesn’t want to play there anymore. But seeing as RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11, is that really a factor in selection?
Sounds like your issue is more with 15 then? I'd much rather have a proven winger on the wing than a guy who can be pretty mercurial in positions he has actually played before.
Australia aren't Fiji or Tonga.
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@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
To get you in the zone -
one thing that is really noticeable, at the start of the vid the crowd are wearing their normal clothes, by the end the majority are in black.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I remember the amazing chase back, tackle and turnover but that’s about it.
that's the one highlight.
made errors, complete non-entity on attack.
we lack a great fullback.
One kick out on the full, 3 turnovers conceded, and 11 total metres (2nd worst back by metres, I think).
He did apparently beat two defenders and get away one offload, plus that fantastic chase and tackle, but overall he was poor in his contributions.
Thanks for backing up the sentiment. The match thread didn’t seem to be too worried at the time.
As I said I didn’t recall him having a horror so was trying to understand the comment that he played himself out of the team.
To be honest though it wasn’t a game made for him. All of our tries were scored from 15 metres out. Just watched the highlights tape and in Reece’s second DMac drew two defenders to leave Sevu unmarked. In Jordan’s try he was running a second hole in case Jordan’s run didn’t get through and in the build up to another he took us from a static position to a metre out stepping through two defenders.
I agree that the position is still debatable just don’t see him as the worst option.But it's DMac, of course he he was shit because DMac.
Having fun with this little crusade you're on?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I remember the amazing chase back, tackle and turnover but that’s about it.
that's the one highlight.
made errors, complete non-entity on attack.
we lack a great fullback.
One kick out on the full, 3 turnovers conceded, and 11 total metres (2nd worst back by metres, I think).
He did apparently beat two defenders and get away one offload, plus that fantastic chase and tackle, but overall he was poor in his contributions.
Thanks for backing up the sentiment. The match thread didn’t seem to be too worried at the time.
As I said I didn’t recall him having a horror so was trying to understand the comment that he played himself out of the team.
To be honest though it wasn’t a game made for him. All of our tries were scored from 15 metres out. Just watched the highlights tape and in Reece’s second DMac drew two defenders to leave Sevu unmarked. In Jordan’s try he was running a second hole in case Jordan’s run didn’t get through and in the build up to another he took us from a static position to a metre out stepping through two defenders.
I agree that the position is still debatable just don’t see him as the worst option.But it's DMac, of course he he was shit because DMac.
Having fun with this little crusade you're on?
Aren't you the guy that doesn't watch rugby? 😁
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Until one 15 really stands out he’s in the mix.
That's the issue. There is no stand out.
I think the best fullback in the AB squad is on the bench and his name doesn’t start with Jordie.
But Beaudie is still working his way into some kind of form, but in terms of skill set and ability, he is class at the back.
Could Will Jordan be our future at fullback. Needs to develop and mature his game a bit, but more game time on the wing will definitely help as it did with Bender.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Pretty happy with this team selection
D Mac
worked well with Mounga as a dual
Play maker. I think that’s a big reason for his selection.In that last test it was Mo'unga and Havili sharing the playmaking roles and on my view that was far more effective than DMac playing in that role.
In saying that, B. Barrett and DMac used to work well in the 10/15 roles pre-RWC.
DMac’s shining knights are out in force aye! I don’t mind him and his fearlessness is something else, but he stunk the house out last match and that has been a problem the last two seasons.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Pretty happy with this team selection
D Mac
worked well with Mounga as a dual
Play maker. I think that’s a big reason for his selection.In that last test it was Mo'unga and Havili sharing the playmaking roles and on my view that was far more effective than DMac playing in that role.
In saying that, B. Barrett and DMac used to work well in the 10/15 roles pre-RWC.
DMac’s shining knights are out in force aye! I don’t mind him and his fearlessness is something else, but he stunk the house out last match and that has been a problem the last two seasons.
I am not convinced by him either,I was really thinking back to the Tongan test,
Were D Mac was the other playmaker with Ritchie,
Havilli wasn’t playing .
D Mac well, I am waiting for something brilliant or something completely stupid. -
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Not a lot to be unhappy about for me.
Yeah. The cupboard at 6/7/8 look pretty full of talent at the moment. Ironically, that probably makes the decision for those slots quite difficult.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
The counter to that is elusiveness.
His defence is pretty special as well. He was seriously impressive against England in 2018 and his lack of size doesn't appear to be a handicap in that department.
For me, he's too good a player to leave out but the biggest problem is knowing what is his best position. I think I'd have him as No. 1 super-sub and back-up 10 and 15.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Play him against tier-two opponents and he looks a million dollars, play him against big imposing physical sides and he'll get flattened, time and again.
I guess the England team I saw at Twickenham in 2018 were all midgets then....
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Absurd situation that many are hoping for a sub-par performance so we can get the best, (almost universally acknowledged), coach in there in time for the next WC.
A strong showing in '21 could be a terrible result for '23. Would it simply paper over the cracks? And come the world cup the failures of the 2017 Lions series, 2019 RWC and 2020 again come to the fore as we lack ideas when the pressure comes on?
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@frye said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Absurd situation that many are hoping for a sub-par performance so we can get the best, (almost universally acknowledged), coach in there in time for the next WC.
A strong showing in '21 could be a terrible result for '23. Would it simply paper over the cracks? And come the world cup the failures of the 2017 Lions series, 2019 RWC and 2020 again come to the fore as we lack ideas when the pressure comes on?
Who's many?
Definitely absurd to hope for that because of mythical best coach.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Don't know whether this has already been posted, but here are the referees for this match:
Referee: Paul Williams (NZR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Fraser (NZR)
Assistant Referee 2: Brendon Pickerill (NZR)
TMO: Glenn Newman (NZR)Apologies Australia in advance.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Don't know whether this has already been posted, but here are the referees for this match:
Referee: Paul Williams (NZR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Fraser (NZR)
Assistant Referee 2: Brendon Pickerill (NZR)
TMO: Glenn Newman (NZR)Apologies Australia in advance.
They'll be speeeewinnnggg, maaaaate! Just wait for a Gatland style passive agressive whinge about lack of planning from the ref appointers, coming from Rennie.
Oh no, won't happen, Rennnie has some class.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan who should be on the wing then?
Ioane at 11, if fit Jordan on the right. With Jordan injured I would try DMac on the wing, he’s pretty creative and could make a difference there. Certainly fast enough and a good finisher.
I’d have BB at 15, then JB if his brother really doesn’t want to play there anymore. But seeing as RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11, is that really a factor in selection?
Sounds like your issue is more with 15 then? I'd much rather have a proven winger on the wing than a guy who can be pretty mercurial in positions he has actually played before.
Australia aren't Fiji or Tonga.
No, I'm not a fan of Reece either. And I think DMac is too good to be left out, but he's not the best fullback against Tier 1 nations, and could be worth a shot on the wing. He's already a much better defender than Reece.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan who should be on the wing then?
Ioane at 11, if fit Jordan on the right. With Jordan injured I would try DMac on the wing, he’s pretty creative and could make a difference there. Certainly fast enough and a good finisher.
I’d have BB at 15, then JB if his brother really doesn’t want to play there anymore. But seeing as RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11, is that really a factor in selection?
Sounds like your issue is more with 15 then? I'd much rather have a proven winger on the wing than a guy who can be pretty mercurial in positions he has actually played before.
Australia aren't Fiji or Tonga.
No, I'm not a fan of Reece either. And I think DMac is too good to be left out, but he's not the best fullback against Tier 1 nations, and could be worth a shot on the wing. He's already a much better defender than Reece.
I looked at some stats a couple of weeks back that showed how effective DMac has been when moving to wing.
My concern for a whole game and plan would be that he plays best when getting involved. When he is at 15 they generally have him as second playmaker and being planned out, he and RM interchange positions. It is a bit harder for that to work from wing and you run the risk of leaving a side of the field open if there is a turnover.
I just get the feeling that the selections are more about combos than 'who is best' (and isn't tat how it should be in a team game?). DMac and RM have worked out a good understanding, Reece reads RM and DH well
