Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative
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@kiwiwomble great point. A health/scientific problem that has been taken over by politicians is probably the most apt description of this pandemic.
Thanks for contributing man👍
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@kiwiwomble said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@no-quarter the most obvious point to that is the idea of being asymptomatic, you might not know when you are sick
That's a fair point mate. I'm not sure where they landed in the end with how contagious asymptomatic people are. TBH there's so much noise about Covid I've just kind of tuned out and focused on other things as much as I can.
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@siam said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
Reasons against ivm use by the WHO, CDC and NIH:
Not enough studies
Studies not high quality
Studies too short
No peer review of studies
As of last week, not so safe from WHO and Merck (who made billions as the patent holder over the previous 40 years)
we are working on another new covid oral medicine - Fauci announced a 3.2 billion dollar grant to discover a new drug from scratch, just last week.Amazing. Ivm and hydroxychloroquine (which the media told us not only isn’t effective against Covid, but worse! will KILL you (until we learned Saint Fauci said it IS effective and prescribed it to his entire family last year)) have been around for decadess, but NO, we need more studies. whereas the current miracle vaccines they are experimenting using human guinea pigs, hey, that’s perfectly acceptable. Shut up, stop asking questions, bend over and take the needle.
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Why would ivermectin be effective against a virus? If I replace ivermectin with paracetamol, cheese, beer, coffee, penicillin, you’d think wtf. But let’s take an anti worming drug and claim it helps against viruses.
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@billy-tell said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
Why would ivermectin be effective against a virus? If I replace ivermectin with paracetamol, cheese, beer, coffee, penicillin, you’d think wtf. But let’s take an anti worming drug and claim it helps against viruses.
@billy-tell said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
Why would ivermectin be effective against a virus? If I replace ivermectin with paracetamol, cheese, beer, coffee, penicillin, you’d think wtf. But let’s take an anti worming drug and claim it helps against viruses.
I gather it has now been discredited
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@siam said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@voodoo I've read a bit where they make it harder to breathe, especially for old people. That's making things worse. Masks do dehumanise human interactions. That's making things worse. Old masks used everyday harbour other germs. That's making things worse. People being harassed and fined for a non proven garment. That's making things worse
My point mate is that government covid responses have been an affront and an assault on science and the scientific method. All it would take is a government spokesman or agency to explain the science of mask wearing, exactly like they did for seatbelts, bike helmets and cleanliness in restaurant kitchens, to name some comparable examples.
But they haven't.
As it stands, replace the word masks with rosary beads and look at your post.
I'm not having a go mate, but masks are a prime example of mixed messages from authorities. And with thousands of vaccinated people currently locked up in Australia, vaccines are another example of broken promises and substandard science communication.
I have absolutely no problem with masks ( or rosary beads) being voluntary. Fine when visiting hospitals and nursing homes too.
It was interesting that in the UK masks were only mandated quite late compared to other countries. And the scientists were open that the jury was very much out on the effectiveness of mask wearing by the public for many months - possibly because the masks liked to be used by Joe Public wouldn't be good enough. (As an aside, I think the way the top people advising the UK government have been able to be questioned by the media and members of the public has been done incredibly well and has boosted public confidence.)
So perhaps it's a psychological thing and mask-wearing is far less effective than people think, but mandating masks pushes people into a safety-first mindset to protect against Covid. Which seems a legitimate thing to do on public health grounds.
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@billy-tell said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
Why would ivermectin be effective against a virus? If I replace ivermectin with paracetamol, cheese, beer, coffee, penicillin, you’d think wtf. But let’s take an anti worming drug and claim it helps against viruses.
Following article throws serious doubt on what is purported to be the largest randomised controlled trial of ivermectin to date (@Catogrande
https://gidmk.medium.com/is-ivermectin-for-covid-19-based-on-fraudulent-research-5cc079278602According to the author if you take this trial out the meta data shows no benefit.
Article was promoted in tweet by Jordan Peterson who seems to be sympathetic to the anti-mask, anti-lockdown philosophy.
Author hints at how ivermectin's price has skyrocketed, which amuses me as the conspiracy theorists can see the conspiracy in ivermectin being suppressed, but not in it being promoted for profit.
If you believe he's not part of the conspiracy of course.
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@victor-meldrew isnt it more effective in stopping YOU spreading it rather than protecting you?
I guess if it stops transmission by even 5%, isnt that a good thing?
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@victor-meldrew isnt it more effective in stopping YOU spreading it rather than protecting you?
I guess if it stops transmission by even 5%, isnt that a good thing?
Definitely. I was posing a thought that mask rules were possibly brought in to change behaviours/awareness of Covid as much as protect against it, if not more.
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So a year on, how has the experimental vaccine made things better?
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@Joans-Town-Jones
go to FB or Telegram or Instagram and look up dyed xxxxx sud x den xly
there are groups for NZ, Aus, worldwide a few, probably for Europe.
So many sad stories of all kinds of ways waxxed people are leaving. ...heart, immune system, sudden stage 4 cancer. -
@Wairau said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones
go to FB or Telegram or Instagram and look up dyed xxxxx sud x den xly
there are groups for NZ, Aus, worldwide a few, probably for Europe.
So many sad stories of all kinds of ways waxxed people are leaving. ...heart, immune system, sudden stage 4 cancer.Snowball rolling slowly down the mountain
Get ready for the avalanche
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@Wairau said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones
go to FB or Telegram or Instagram and look up dyed xxxxx sud x den xly
there are groups for NZ, Aus, worldwide a few, probably for Europe.
So many sad stories of all kinds of ways waxxed people are leaving. ...heart, immune system, sudden stage 4 cancer.Interesting isn't it. My mum with stage 4 cancer got the kung flu and survived ok.
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Sensible, important questions being asked in the UK
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@MiketheSnow Yes, it’s very sad. The trend, details, and connections are being purposefully hidden and it’s difficult to find out how much of the extra deaths (e.g UK is 16% up) are from the waxing. But, when you read the stories people tell of their loved ones dying, it’s pretty obvious. The main FB site had 200k members in August, then was deleted. Then got up to 170k in September when I joined, then was deleted again, now up to 30k. The NZ site was 11k before deletion in October. So many sad stories hidden. Mods have backed up some to Instagram, and other efforts are being made to have different sites.
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@Joans-Town-Jones Hard to tell if the excess deaths are caused by the vax or if it was all the other health services that were stopped/delayed/just not done during lockdown.
We probably won't be able to tell until years later as it is far too political for any sort of unbiased truth to come out - and I mean both sides of the argument for that.
In regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine? Well it did an incredibly good job of making rich people a lot richer.
In regards to it's health benefits it appears to...
Help you not catch it - just a little bit.
Help you not pass it on - just a little bit.
Help you not get hospitalized - just a little bit.
And not die from it - just a little bit.So not exactly the wonder drug that would save us all...
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@Windows97 said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones Hard to tell if the excess deaths are caused by the vax or if it was all the other health services that were stopped/delayed/just not done during lockdown.
We probably won't be able to tell until years later as it is far too political for any sort of unbiased truth to come out - and I mean both sides of the argument for that.
In regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine? Well it did an incredibly good job of making rich people a lot richer.
In regards to it's health benefits it appears to...
Help you not catch it - just a little bit.
Help you not pass it on - just a little bit.
Help you not get hospitalized - just a little bit.
And not die from it - just a little bit.So not exactly the wonder drug that would save us all...
You may be right about point 1 & 2, but not 3 and 4.
The evidence was everywhere that it did both of those things.